Richard White
Senior Member
In their case, if they could not find work they had to go elsewhere and were not permitted to stay in Australia.
It was done this way to prevent people from getting a free ride paid for by the Government.
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In their case, if they could not find work they had to go elsewhere and were not permitted to stay in Australia.
It was done this way to prevent people from getting a free ride paid for by the Government.
Northern Light
Superstar
Right, but, if you're a refugee (legitimately); then you have nowhere to go back to, presumably.
And you have no more right to enter any other country than the one to which you first applied.
So you would just set people adrift in the ocean?
Richard White
Senior Member
I am not sure how it worked exactly but it was part of the Australian Immigration Program and this was how my Grandmother explained it to me. She explained that upon arrival in Australia they had to find stable employment to remain in Australia and services were provided to assist with that.
I can only guess they were sent back to Austria or deported elsewhere. Mind you this was 1958 and it was alot different back then.
afransen
Senior Member
Are the protestors asking for an arms export embargo? Not that I have heard.
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Is the rate different for municipal vs private vs non-profit LTC homes?? We all know from covid stats that the City's LTC homes stacked up very well so are the City's cost for 'extras' that made this possible.? (Not that I think extras like having sufficient staff are really extra!)
Northern Light
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The Detailed (for the public) City budget is now up. I have begun my reading.
For those interested in the Waterfront Capital Budget, I have posted that, here:
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I'll do the broad look at the Transportation Services budget here, and I or others can parcel out items to the appropriate threads as partial cross-posts.
Comment: Good on cutting the windrow service, like the leaf collection, it was a service not delivered to all communities or even most communities equitable, nor was that likely to change.
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Despite the Gardiner/DVP upload, there is insufficient money to maintain roads at current levels, and they are set to deteriorate over the next decade:
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Some things of note below: Some money has fallen from the sky for King Street; look at the 2025 number for Neighbourhood improvements; holy @#$# that's a lot for the West Toronto Railpath,
Next: (comment) - @sunnyraytoronto will make note of the Beecroft Extension funding times; looks like John Street has slipped back to 2025 and many future years..... that is really inefficient.
Some of our Junctionites or those adjacent such as @ProjectEnd, @AlbertC and @smably will note the Dundas/Dupont/Annette project starting in 2025
@mburrrrr will note the Lower Yonge improvements, and I suspect @DSC will follow these as well.
@interchange42 will believe in the long promised Legion Road underpass after it opens and not a day sooner.
Raising my own eyebrow at the very marginal sums allocated to YongeTOmorrow.
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Below are projects for which Transportation currently lacks money to deliver.
Comment: Good on cutting the windrow service, like the leaf collection, it was a service not delivered to all communities or even most communities equitable, nor was that likely to change.
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Despite the Gardiner/DVP upload, there is insufficient money to maintain roads at current levels, and they are set to deteriorate over the next decade:
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Some things of note below: Some money has fallen from the sky for King Street; look at the 2025 number for Neighbourhood improvements; holy @#$# that's a lot for the West Toronto Railpath,
Next: (comment) - @sunnyraytoronto will make note of the Beecroft Extension funding times; looks like John Street has slipped back to 2025 and many future years..... that is really inefficient.
Some of our Junctionites or those adjacent such as @ProjectEnd, @AlbertC and @smably will note the Dundas/Dupont/Annette project starting in 2025
@mburrrrr will note the Lower Yonge improvements, and I suspect @DSC will follow these as well.
@interchange42 will believe in the long promised Legion Road underpass after it opens and not a day sooner.
Raising my own eyebrow at the very marginal sums allocated to YongeTOmorrow.
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Below are projects for which Transportation currently lacks money to deliver.
Northern Light
Superstar
I'm just going to note here, as a freestanding post; that some numbers in the budget beggar the imagination as to how they were arrived at.
I'm not going to lay this on on our new mayor or budget chief at this point.
But members here are already raising questions, rightfully so about some project inflation.............and there will be more questions by the time I'm finished publishing my budget thoughts.
UT.....don't accept stuff that smells bad. Maybe there's a good explanation, staff deserve some benefit of the doubt; but when project budgets seem vastly outside what you'd expect or have more than doubled in less than 2 years........
Someone should have answers at the ready as to why. Be prepared to email, phone, tweet, or send a query to the media.
Cause for some of these, if there's a good answer, I surely want to hear it.
I'm not going to lay this on on our new mayor or budget chief at this point.
But members here are already raising questions, rightfully so about some project inflation.............and there will be more questions by the time I'm finished publishing my budget thoughts.
UT.....don't accept stuff that smells bad. Maybe there's a good explanation, staff deserve some benefit of the doubt; but when project budgets seem vastly outside what you'd expect or have more than doubled in less than 2 years........
Someone should have answers at the ready as to why. Be prepared to email, phone, tweet, or send a query to the media.
Cause for some of these, if there's a good answer, I surely want to hear it.
Towered
Senior Member
What's the Dundas/Annette/Dupont project?? First I've heard of it...
Northern Light
Superstar
Not sure. I know ideas have been bandied about it the past as to how to regularize the intersection a bit, but I haven't seen this as a budget line item recently that I can recall. So not sure what it is that they have in mind.
allengeorge
Senior Member
I’m stunned at one that you brought up: that the West Toronto Railpath is $148M. With project inflation like this it’s no wonder that the capital budget backlog is ballooning. At this rate we’ll never be able to maintain anything we build. Ever.
rbt
Senior Member
Doubling is a lot but it seems that a 50% increase over 2 years is in line with private sector. What's interesting is while prices have gone up everywhere, they've gone up far more in Toronto (not Ottawa so it's not an Ontario thing) than elsewhere. Is this partly an effect of tendering 4 subway lines and a massive commuter rail project simultaneously?
Though some materials with a very large 2-year price increase were abnormally cheap in 2021 rather than hugely expensive now.
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I was hunting for a recent MTO Construction Inflation rate report but can't seem to find one.
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smably
Senior Member
More than doubling! The railpath budget has increased by 181% over two years, from $53 million in 2022 to $148 million in 2024:
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Follow up number 2.......... Project is being delivered by Metrolinx, though the City is paying. Someone at Mx will need to account for what seems like extraordinary inflation. Extraordinary is right. I really am struggling to understand what's going on here. I went back through the...
turini2
Active Member
I am not looking forward to hearing from people who should know better (i.e. worked with Tory) about this budget ...
If there are 'efficiencies' to be found, why didn't you find them when you were running Council?
If there are 'efficiencies' to be found, why didn't you find them when you were running Council?
I disagree with him, but I do appreciate that Burnside is upfront with what he wants to cut - often a problem with commentators at budget time!