micheal_can
Senior Member
Eglinton is about $600 million. So, that project is going to be cheap.
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YRT/Viva Construction Thread (Rapidways, Terminals)
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allengeorge
Senior Member
I thought the capital cost was around 2B for 18km, which puts the cost/km lower. Is that not the case?
afransen
Senior Member
afransen
Senior Member
Line 5 is an even bigger catastrophe. Indeed, something is utterly broken when we spend this kind of money and get such a half-baked solution. I wonder if any other transit agency in the world is spending so much to get so little--congrats Metrolinx.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Line 5 Eglinton - Wikipedia
The estimated cost of the project in late 2019 was $12.58 billion.
19 km for $12.58 billion works out to over $600 million.
afransen
Senior Member
What is your point? $600M/km for a low-floor LRT line is horrendous. Is there a more expensive LRT line on earth?Line 5 Eglinton - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The estimated cost of the project in late 2019 was $12.58 billion.
19 km for $12.58 billion works out to over $600 million.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Point is when people think that $250 million per km is horrible.... we have a horrible that is being built.
afransen
Senior Member
It at least has the excuse of being partially tunneled, under an active subway line. Of course that that kind of price, we should have been able to get a proper subway (perhaps with slightly less palatial stations).
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
Lets stop using full lifecycle costs and instead use CAPITAL Costs like normal people:Line 5 Eglinton - Wikipedia
The estimated cost of the project in late 2019 was $12.58 billion.
19 km for $12.58 billion works out to over $600 million.
Hurontario LRT CAPITAL cost: 2.1 Billion
ECLRT CAPITAL cost: 5.3 Billion
Hurontario CAPITAL Cost/km — 2.1B/18 km = ~117 M$/km
ECLRT CAPITAL Cost/km — 5.3B/19km = ~279 M$/km
It should be noted that over half of the ECLRT is underground, that it includes more vehicles, and that it will likely run more frequently.
allengeorge
Senior Member
Hmm. I was simply looking at capital costs, as quoted here:
Hurontario LRT DBFOM Awarded to Mobilinx Consortium - Railway Age
The Mobilinx consortium, consisting of Hitachi Rail, Astaldi Canada Enterprises Inc., Salini-Impregilo S.p.A., John Laing Investments Limited, Transdev North America, Inc. and Amico Concessions Inc. and Bot Engineering & Construction Ltd., has signed a C$4.6 billion DBFOM (design, build...
www.railwayage.com
Are you sure the $4.6B in Wikipedia doesn’t include the operating costs? That is, the “O” in the DBFOM? Or were you quoting the cost to build, operate and maintain each km of line?
cplchanb
Senior Member
but fully funded...its not like they needed to find more cash.... they turned away free money due to poltical infighting.
chasedp
New Member
Transferred from viva to the 25 bus for the first time since they opened the station last night. It is pretty ridiculous how it's set up. They should've just left the viva stops at the south corners of yonge/major mac and the vivastation should've been back at Harding so that the buses had space to merge into regular traffic from there.
afransen
Senior Member
As indicated in the quote, the 30 year operations and maintenance cost is an additional $1B, and not included in the $4.6B.Hmm. I was simply looking at capital costs, as quoted here:
Hurontario LRT DBFOM Awarded to Mobilinx Consortium - Railway Age
The Mobilinx consortium, consisting of Hitachi Rail, Astaldi Canada Enterprises Inc., Salini-Impregilo S.p.A., John Laing Investments Limited, Transdev North America, Inc. and Amico Concessions Inc. and Bot Engineering & Construction Ltd., has signed a C$4.6 billion DBFOM (design, build...
Are you sure the $4.6B in Wikipedia doesn’t include the operating costs? That is, the “O” in the DBFOM? Or were you quoting the cost to build, operate and maintain each km of line?
Deadpool X
Senior Member
Half of Eglinton line is underground. That's not an apples to apples comparison.
abovetoronto
New Member
Not a fair comparison. I don't know about the rest, but Tel Aviv has a Chinese company building the line.