TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[generalcanada]

From the moat, so you would not go past union.

These doors:

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The intent is to have a single entry point so that TTC / Police can easily close entry if the station reaches dangerous crowding conditions.

Which it will. not sure if we all forgot but you cant fix this.
Funneling people into a chokepoint is just going to cause confusion
Someone said it right above. Union should just be closed and have everyone spread to all the other stations

 

[Northern Light]

Someone said it right above. Union should just be closed and have everyone spread to all the other stations

St. Andrew station is much more capacity constrained than Union.

Much smaller concourse, fewer fare gates, and less vertical circulation capacity (stairs/escalators to platforms).

I'm not sure how removing the capacity at Union wouldn't just shift the problem to a smaller station and make it that much worse.

King is also pretty constrained, particularly its principle entrance, its a bit better if you can get people to enter through the CIBC entrance/exit..........

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I agree the method of crowd control contemplated here has its own problems.

I think it would serve the City well to:

a) Manage crowds further away from Union, trying to regulate the flow in that direction.

b) Run Artic buses, with all-door loading, from key locations, express to Line 2.

Which, by the way, they are doing, in part, with an express that will run up Jarvis to Sherbourne Station.

But my impression is that I'm one of relatively few who know that.......and that the communication strategy needs a bit of a boost over the next few days.

 

[Amare]

I really dont get what the city is trying to accomplish with this.

If they want to alleviate the issue than dont focus New Year's celebration festivities along the waterfront, do it like the good old days and have it on Nathan Phillips Square so that way people can use Osgoode or Queen. Or split the festivities between Nathan Phillips Square and the Harbourfont.

This really isnt rocket science, but it seems they want to go for round 2 of a messy situation.

 

[Jonny5]

b) Run Artic buses, with all-door loading, from key locations, express to Line 2.
Which, by the way, they are doing, in part, with an express that will run up Jarvis to Sherbourne Station.
But my impression is that I'm one of relatively few who know that.......and that the communication strategy needs a bit of a boost over the next few days.

Can confirm I never heard about this until right now.

 

[DSC]

Can confirm I never heard about this until right now.

Well hidden on TTC website.

 

[Jonny5]

Well hidden on TTC website.

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Hidden as always.

That's a bit of a distant pick-up point, and I bet many will think it's too far to spend the time to walk there and its better to go to the subway, assuming they even know about the bus option.

Also the "every five minutes" bit is funny, as we know they can't properly manage service like that, but also this is an occasion where you shouldn't be on a schedule like that. An express point-to-point bus service to handle a crowd surge actually is where you want the opposite. Have the buses all on standby and start loading them up, multiple buses at a time as needed, and simply have them go as soon as they are full. No need to wait and depart precisely every five minutes, but I bet that's what they will do.

The one time they don't need rigorous line management will be the one time they will have it.

 

[nfitz]

Also the "every five minutes" bit is funny, as we know they can't properly manage service like that, but also this is an occasion where you shouldn't be on a schedule like that. An express point-to-point bus service to handle a crowd surge actually is where you want the opposite. Have the buses all on standby and start loading them up, multiple buses at a time as needed, and simply have them go as soon as they are full. No need to wait and depart precisely every five minutes, but I bet that's what they will do.

The one time they don't need rigorous line management will be the one time they will have it.

They do exactly as you describe on Woodbine Avenue after fireworks displays. And I'm sure that's what they'll do this time, with no attempt to keep a clock-face.

St. Andrew station is much more capacity constrained than Union.

Much smaller concourse, fewer fare gates, and less vertical circulation capacity (stairs/escalators to platforms).

I'm not sure how removing the capacity at Union wouldn't just shift the problem to a smaller station and make it that much worse.

Perhaps part of the logic is that a lot of people would be getting off the subway at Union to get to the GO trains? So if you stop most people entering TTC Union through the main entrance, then you won't end up with people crushing in two different directions at the same time. But I doubt relatively few will be getting off at King or St. Andrews. Though if everyone tries to get on at the Brookfield entrance, it will pile people up outside the station in the west Bay teamway, rather than in the mezzanine and on the platform.

BTW, where doo they do these New Years Eve events - I've never been in Toronto at New Years, until I'm way too old for such things.

 

[Steve X]

Well hidden on TTC website.

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They will all be stuck in traffic like all the Woodbine beach fireworks buses.

 

[nfitz]

They will all be stuck in traffic like all the Woodbine beach fireworks buses.

I frequently walk up Woodbine after the fireworks. This really hasn't been a problem for years, since they started closing Woodbine to personal vehicles south of Kingston Road. The buses don't really sit not moving anymore - except just before the fireworks, heading south, when too many idiots are trying to drive somewhere that no longer exists.

When did you last see this?