TheTigerMaster
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Was the practice discredited, or did it just become astronomically expensive?
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TTC: Jane (LRT) RapidTO
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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Was the practice discredited, or did it just become astronomically expensive?
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
Likely both to a degree, but the way that construction costs for major infrastructure projects ballooned, it might not be that comparatively expensive anymore.
I believe sometime during the past few years, a UT member estimated that it would be cheaper to expropriate every house fronting on to Danforth-McCowan than it would be to tunnel between Kennedy and STC for the SSE.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Probably should just add a Wuppertal instead, and incorporate the hydro and streetlights into the stilts so there’s less clutter on the sidewalk.
afransen
Senior Member
Not sure that would make for a nice/livable streetscape. Being fully grade separated could make it faster, but will people want to live next to elevated rail line? The current residents would throw a fit as well.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
City of Toronto receives federal funding commitment to help address flooding in the Rockcliffe-Smythe neighbourhood
From link.
For the Jane Street crossing over Black Creek, be sure to include provision for either a surface light rail; or underground "station box" or tunnel(s) for a Jane LRT.
From link.
News Release
October 30, 2020
Today, Mayor John Tory, Councillor James Pasternak (Ward York Centre), Infrastructure and Environment Committee Chair; and Councillor Frances Nunziata (Ward York-South Weston) joined the Government of Canada to announce a commitment of a $19 million investment in reducing the impact of severe storms and flooding in Toronto’s Rockcliffe-Smythe neighbourhood. Representing the Federal government at the announcement was the Honourable Catherine McKenna, Minister of Infrastructure and Communities and the Honourable Ahmed Hussen, Minister of Families, Children and Social Development and Member of Parliament for York South – Weston.
The federal government’s funding commitment is being made through its Disaster Mitigation and Adaptation Fund (DMAF) for Jane Street crossing improvements to mitigate Black Creek flooding in the area. The City of Toronto is contributing $28.5 million to the remaining costs of the project.
The Jane Street crossing improvement project involves expanding the Jane Street crossing over Black Creek. The existing crossing is undersized and results in flooding of Black Creek during extreme events. The project will reduce flooding in the Rockcliffe-Smythe neighbourhood by reconstructing the existing crossing to allow for increased conveyance capacity of Black Creek flood waters underneath. It is a critical component of a broader flood mitigation strategy for the area.
While the Jane Street crossing upgrade will provide some flood relief, it will enable the implementation of additional flood mitigation measures, such as river widening and larger crossings, which will protect the area from flooding. These changes are needed so the river can be widened to reduce water levels within the river system. Once that is done, basement flooding protection work in the area can be effective.
In recent years, the Rockcliffe-Smythe community, near Jane Street and Eglinton Avenue West, has been affected by heavy rains – the area has suffered from flooding during heavy downpours and flash floods. During heavy rain, the sewer systems and overland drainage routes, such as roads, local rivers and streams can become overloaded, which has led to basement flooding.
In response, the City has been working in collaboration with the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority (TRCA). Each has completed environmental studies of the area seeking options to reduce sewer system, overland and riverine flooding.
Construction of flood mitigation measures is expected to begin after 2024. An updated Environmental Assessment will begin this fall.
Quotes:
“I want to thank the Government of Canada, Minister McKenna and Minister Hussen for coming forward with this funding which will impact the lives of many residents and business owners in the Rockcliffe Community. Over the past few years we have seen the devastating impacts flooding can have on residents and their homes. We are committed to finding ways to protect residents and their businesses during heavy rainfall and changing weather. Thanks to this $19 million funding through the Disaster Mitigation and Adaption Fund we can expedite the work necessary to help us resolve this ongoing issue.”
– Mayor John Tory
“With severe weather events on the rise, it is imperative that we invest now in infrastructure that protects Canadians, their homes, and their businesses. Every dollar invested in upgrades to the Jane Street Bridge will protect Toronto residents and save future costs by reducing the impact of local flooding. Canada’s infrastructure plan invests in thousands of projects, creates jobs across the country, and builds cleaner, more inclusive communities.”
– The Honourable Catherine McKenna, Minister of Infrastructure and Communities
“As in many regions across Canada, Toronto and the Rockcliffe community are experiencing the impacts of climate change. The investments in the Jane Street Bridge expansion will minimize the costly effects of severe weather events and ensure residents’ homes and businesses are protected for generations to come.”
– The Honourable Ahmed Hussen, Minister of Families, Children and Social Development
”Just one year ago, Council voted unanimously to declare a climate emergency and accelerate efforts to mitigate and adapt to climate change. The generous funding that the Government of Canada is announcing today for the Jane Street crossing improvement will help us increase the resilience of the Rockcliffe-Smythe community and help spare it from the effects of extreme weather and associated flooding.”
– Councillor James Pasternak (Ward York Centre), Infrastructure and Environment Committee Chair
“In recent years, the residents and businesses of the Rockcliffe-Smythe area have experienced a great deal of flooding and the stress, damage and cleanup that comes with that. I have been working with City staff and the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority to accelerate strategies to mitigate flooding in this neighbourhood. Today’s announcement is a first step towards welcome flooding relief for this community.”
– Councillor Frances Nunziata (Ward York South-Weston)
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For the Jane Street crossing over Black Creek, be sure to include provision for either a surface light rail; or underground "station box" or tunnel(s) for a Jane LRT.
UrbanDan
Active Member
If Jane street rapid transit is ever again on the table, why wouldn't it go more South, so it can be connected to future Waterfront West LRT (or Ontario line extension, or whatever is happening on our waterfront transit wise(!?)) ?
Shouldn't the priority be to give rides options to avoid extremely busy Line 1 and 2 (and even more busy transfer stations between the two)?
Obvious candidate for southern extension seems to be South Kingsway after Jane station on line 2. Especially given the rising density on that portion of Waterfront.
What are your thoughts?
Shouldn't the priority be to give rides options to avoid extremely busy Line 1 and 2 (and even more busy transfer stations between the two)?
Obvious candidate for southern extension seems to be South Kingsway after Jane station on line 2. Especially given the rising density on that portion of Waterfront.
What are your thoughts?
W. K. Lis
Superstar
1. Likely the JANE LRT will have only one station after Jane & Bloor, at The Queensway.
2. For now, they should re-instate the 138 SOUTH KINGSWAY bus, or an extension of the 55 WARREN PARK bus, until we get a JANE LRT.
UrbanDan
Active Member
That makes sense and should probably be enough.
It would give the people options, that are currently using the most overcrowded bus corridor in Toronto.
Was this ever considered?
I completely agree with you on this one!
TRONto
Active Member
I agree that it should connect to the Waterfront LRT to better connect the network.
The city generally isn't ambitious, which is why the Jane LRT isn't being worked on right now. The furthest south it would go is Bloor but it wouldn't surprise me if they did Steeles to Eglinton only.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Would the South Kingsway residents object to LRT in the middle of their road.
TRONto
Active Member
they definitely would. I would expect the LRT to be underground south of Eglinton due to space constraints and be underground on the South Kingsway due to the sway of local residents. South Kingsway has homes on both sides of the street so a ROW does interfere with their daily life.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
There’s also the prospect that the Ontario Line could be extended north west to Jane Station particularly if GO RER is successful which would make extending it to Dundas West or Long Branch redundant.
And plus tunneling through the park is a lot easier and less disruptive.
And plus tunneling through the park is a lot easier and less disruptive.
ARG1
Senior Member
If any form of RT happens on Jane Street, I really doubt at this point it would be an LRT. Given the space constraints south of Eglinton, and especially south of Bloor, the Jane LRT would be underground for more than half of its length - if we're being generous. Its important to remember that Jane LRT was the Transit City project that was the most at risk of being canned even without Rob Ford. Transit City like many projects nowadays was drawn on the back of a napkin without any studies to back them up, so when it came to the Jane LRT, they didn't realize until a few years after it was proposed that so many areas were incredibly narrow that building an at grade LRT was impossible, and that they had to tunnel a good chunk of it, so they at some point even considered moving the line to Kipling. If anything gets build on Jane, it would probably a light metro like the Ontario Line, and in fact I think its quite possible that that is where a western extension of the Ontario Line will go.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Didn’t have an issue with Eglinton being half off of the road, even higher percentage now.
ARG1
Senior Member
Eglinton was designed initially to only have a small section off the road, between Keele and Laird. West and East of that was on street, so definitely way more than half was at least planned to be on street. While we could argue about whether or not making it an LRT made sense or not that was the initial plan.
Jane is going to be off the outset around 50% tunneled with any future extensions also needing to be tunneled. Chopping up your ultimate capacity as well as train reliability just to have the northern section run at grade is a bit ludicrous. Eglinton was a mistake, we should never seek to do it again or to use it as a groundwork for future plans.