EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
so they will have 60 cars from a different manufacture with no parts in common with them?I would recommend that TTC put the extra 60 cars out for tender "WORLD WIDE" now!!
so they will have 60 cars from a different manufacture with no parts in common with them?I would recommend that TTC put the extra 60 cars out for tender "WORLD WIDE" now!!
Wouldn't be the first system to do this. Some have more than 2.so they will have 60 cars from a different manufacture with no parts in common with them?
... Given how far our dollars has drop this year, its hurting BBD in the pocket book as well, since they have to pay more for the parts made outside of Canada
Though if TTC cancels the contract based on Bombardier's poor performance, then it may well cancel the Metrolinx and Waterloo cars as well.
I would recommend that TTC put the extra 60 cars out for tender "WORLD WIDE" now!! It must state anyone can bid on it regardless if built 100% off shore, thou it would be nice if assembly took place in Toronto.
As yet, the TTC hasn't had to withdraw a visible number of CLRV/ALRV vehicles from service permanently. The fleet keeps running, bandaids or not.
- Paul
5 Cs and 2 As thus far. Maybe not a huge proportion as yet, but they are certainly starting to fall.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
It certainly wouldn't be TTC's call to cancel (perhaps my pronoun usage was poor there). But presumably the pricing on that contract was based that 204 cars were already committed for. If those are cancelled, then presumably there are terms in the contract after the Metrolinx option, that the cancellation of the 204, would have impacts on the Metrolinx option.How do you figure? For one, it probably isn't the TTC's call to cancel those cars - the options for the order were assigned to someone else, who then took that order. Regardless of who's order they were to start with, that contract has now been signed between the two parties.
So it would depend where in world, other than the U.S., that they get the parts from.
I think this statement is right on the money. The engineering and tooling requirements for only 60 cars is likely to price this out of the range that the TTC wants not to mention the time it would take to begin building it. They're between a rock and a hard place now. I think the only route is to stick it out with Bombardier, get some liquidated damages, and learn from the experience when it comes time to bid next time.Seriously, what do you think there would be to gain by putting out the order to tender at this point? If the potential for the single largest light-rail vehicle contract in history wasn't enough to get more companies interested, why would they come back 6 years later for a piddly little order of 60 cars? Oh, and remember that this is not an off-the-shelf vehicle running on an off-the-shelf system, so all of that engineering would then have to be accounted for in the vehicle price.
Absolutely - though the most $ seems to be coming from Mexico, and there hasn't been much fluctuation between the Canadian dollar and the Peso in the last 5 years. And I suspect after that the most parts are coming from Europe, and there hasn't been massive fluctuation with the Euro either.Oh, and any components Bombardier gets from itself are obviously going to be subject to wage and direct-cost fluctuation.
It certainly wouldn't be TTC's call to cancel (perhaps my pronoun usage was poor there). But presumably the pricing on that contract was based that 204 cars were already committed for. If those are cancelled, then presumably there are terms in the contract after the Metrolinx option, that the cancellation of the 204, would have impacts on the Metrolinx option.
Not that I think anyone is going down that path ...
Absolutely - though the most $ seems to be coming from Mexico, and there hasn't been much fluctuation between the Canadian dollar and the Peso in the last 5 years. And I suspect after that the most parts are coming from Europe, and there hasn't been massive fluctuation with the Euro either.
It's not so much that the Canadian dollar has slid internationally recently, but the US dollar (and UK pound) have risen. It's only parts sourced from the US or UK that are particularly impacted.