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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

Paraphrasing The Joker (aka Rob Ford); Where does the TTC get those wonderful toys?

From Torontolife.com, at this link:

The TTC’s new life-sized streetcar simulator is not a toy—but it looks like one

(Image: Kayla Rocca)

Halfway down a long corridor inside the TTC’s Hillcrest facility, on Bathurst Street, there’s a room marked “streetcar simulator.” Inside is a state-of-the-art training device on which the next generation of TTC streetcar drivers will earn their wheels.

The simulator is an exact replica of the cockpit of one of the TTC’s new streetcars, the first of which went into service late last month. The throttle and brake controls, speedometer, buttons and even the plush leather seat are identical to the real thing. The only difference is that instead of a windshield, the driver-in-training looks at a computerized 3D version of Toronto rendered on a massive wrap-around screen.

When Mark Knackstedt, the training coordinator for the new streetcar program, suggested I try driving, I jumped at the chance. Inside the cab, the fake streetcar felt eerily like a real vehicle. The screen covered all my sight lines and the sound of passing traffic played over the speakers.

“It’s not just like a video game,” Knackstedt said. “It’s calculating in real time what a physical model of this car is doing.”

I drove the “streetcar” east toward Yonge Street. The sound of wheels gliding and clattering over switches played as the simulator moved. Realistic vibrations rumbled up through the floor. The only thing missing was the inertial lurch whenever the the vehicle turned a corner.

In virtual Toronto, traffic moved along the road and pedestrians strolled by mechanically on the sidewalk. Though the world is mostly filled with generic buildings, the layout of the streetcar rails is identical to the real thing. To lend a degree of authenticity, select landmarks like the Art Gallery of Ontario, OCAD, the CN Tower and the El Mocambo (RIP?) populate the landscape.

“We asked for certain landmarks to make it look like Toronto, but not everything, because the more you ask for the more it’s going to cost you,” said Lionel Jordan, a senior instructor for streetcars and other TTC light-rail vehicles.

The simulator is divided into two parts: the mock cab and the instructor’s station on the other side of the room. The trainee is expected to navigate the streets while the instructor takes notes and occasionally causes trouble.

“You can do whatever you want with this, and this is the real power of the simulator,” Knackstedt says. “You can simulate any weather conditions. You can simulate the changes in friction on the rail, whatever you want.”

The instructor has the power to cause vehicles and pedestrians to swerve in front of the streetcar, summon a snowstorm or rain, even replicate an overhead power outage. Trainees are coached based on the quality of their responses.

So far, none of Toronto’s roughly 500 streetcar drivers have used the new simulator. It was installed just three weeks ago as a replacement for a previous simulator that was tailored to the TTC’s older fleet of streetcars (the commission also has bus and subway simulators), and it still needs to be cleared for use. The simulator comes as part of the TTC’s $1.2-billion streetcar contract with Bombardier, and its graphics were designed by a Michigan company called FAAC Incorporated.

The sim isn’t easy to use. Just as I felt like I was getting the hang of the basic controls, I narrowly avoided rear-ending a lime-green truck at Beverley Street. It was at this point I realized I had neglected to open the doors at any of the stops. Worse was to come, however.

In the middle of Yonge-Dundas Square, I miscalculated my stopping distance and hit a motorcyclist. Mercifully, there was no sickening crunch. The computer silently logged the mishap and the digital victim drove off unscathed.

“It’s not like playing Grand Theft Auto,” Knackstedt said—which is probably for the best. Anyone who has ever driven a streetcar, real or simulated, knows that they make very poor getaway vehicles.


 
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4401 and 4402 just rolled passes me down Bathurst at harbord. Training purposes. So yes they are still here for training as per comments above.
 
Got on 4403 today at QQ and very empty. When we hit Spadina Station, 90% full.

The list of problems for the new cars is growing and one reason we haven't seen 4404 or 5 yet.

Drivers are not opening the doors anymore from what I was told and up to riders to learn about opening them now. Problem is, the doors will not activating when you push the button.

I push the button at Spadina station for the 2 door and it would not open even after waiting between pushes. Staff on the platform could not get it to work on their side as well advising riders to use the other doors. We had to get off by the 1 or 3 door, but no good for the strollers since they can't fit between the seats as well to hard to get over the seats. Supervisor went to the driver to get them to open the doors and work. He told the driver to open the doors if there is anymore problem. Supervisors said this has been an issues for sometime and being added to the list of problems showing up now.

The fare machines are an issues as they had long line up for people trying to use it. A learning curve and no surprise other than people not using the platform one.
 
According to a poster on Steve Munro's site:

"4404 is just about ready to ship.

4405 & 4406 still need final assembly and testing.

4407 only has its modules completed."
 
The fare machines are an issues as they had long line up for people trying to use it. A learning curve and no surprise other than people not using the platform one.

I thought that would be the case, especially during rush hour. Might mean free trips for anyone who doesn't have a long distance to travel.

As for the doors not opening, I noticed the driver was opening all doors at all stations yesterday.
 
Got on 4403 today at QQ and very empty. When we hit Spadina Station, 90% full.

The list of problems for the new cars is growing and one reason we haven't seen 4404 or 5 yet.

Drivers are not opening the doors anymore from what I was told and up to riders to learn about opening them now. Problem is, the doors will not activating when you push the button.

I push the button at Spadina station for the 2 door and it would not open even after waiting between pushes. Staff on the platform could not get it to work on their side as well advising riders to use the other doors. We had to get off by the 1 or 3 door, but no good for the strollers since they can't fit between the seats as well to hard to get over the seats. Supervisor went to the driver to get them to open the doors and work. He told the driver to open the doors if there is anymore problem. Supervisors said this has been an issues for sometime and being added to the list of problems showing up now.

The fare machines are an issues as they had long line up for people trying to use it. A learning curve and no surprise other than people not using the platform one.

Wow.. if they tested for years you'd think there wouldn't be a problem like the doors not opening when you hit the button.
 
Wow.. if they tested for years you'd think there wouldn't be a problem like the doors not opening when you hit the button.

This sounds weird. The button->door mechanism is on nearly every tram that anybody builds, including Bombardier. Perhaps the undercarriage, which is custom, creates more rattles than standard models and the wiring is coming loose?
 
I push the button at Spadina station for the 2 door and it would not open even after waiting between pushes.

The Operator has the ability to enable doors 1, 3 and 4 only in preparation for deploying the ramp at door 2. Sounds like that's what happened rather than a technical problem with the car.
 
One of the cars - 4403, I think - has been having issues with its door controller. None of the other cars have this problem, and it doesn't appear if all of the doors are opened by the operator, rather than simply activated.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
The Operator has the ability to enable doors 1, 3 and 4 only in preparation for deploying the ramp at door 2. Sounds like that's what happened rather than a technical problem with the car.
No, it was a technical problem. I should had been able to open the door without pushing the blue button to get the driver to open the door and deploying the ramp. The supervisor said there were issues with the doors on auto. I have push more buttons than enough on LRV's in the US and Europe to say there is a problem.

We may see 4404 this month, but more likely in Nov along with 4405 on the road. As for others, most likely 4406 in Jan with 2 a month and wait to see if we will get 3 per month or more to get caught up as promises.

These verrrrrry late delivery are going to force TTC to hold onto existing cars a lot longer than plan for scrapping them as well roll out for routes. With the Pan Am games around the corner, TTC is going to need every car because of not having the number of new cars here as plan. TTC is down 16 cars now.
 
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Rode the Spadina new street car for the first time this weekend. I REALLY liked it. It was such a nice smooth ride, love the bigger windows. It just had a totally different feel from a regular street car. The only thing I got to get used to is the face to face seating. Other than that, thumbs up.
 
No, it was a technical problem. I should had been able to open the door without pushing the blue button to get the driver to open the door and deploying the ramp. The supervisor said there were issues with the doors on auto. I have push more buttons than enough on LRV's in the US and Europe to say there is a problem.

We may see 4404 this month, but more likely in Nov along with 4405 on the road. As for others, most likely 4406 in Jan with 2 a month and wait to see if we will get 3 per month or more to get caught up as promises.

These verrrrrry late delivery are going to force TTC to hold onto existing cars a lot longer than plan for scrapping them as well roll out for routes. With the Pan Am games around the corner, TTC is going to need every car because of not having the number of new cars here as plan. TTC is down 16 cars now.

Why do you think the pan am games will increase transit use .. I honestly don't think it will .. not one bit ..
 
The HOV lanes all over the city will increase traffic significantly and make transit a more viable option for the 2 weeks or whatever that the games run.
 

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