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TTC Fleet Procurement Strategy - 2022
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T3G
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The TRs don't do okay on line 1 at all.
I did some digging around in old TTC service summaries. In 2007, it took 118 minutes to do a round trip from Finch to Downsview and back in the morning rush hour, with an average speed of 30.9 km/h. In 2017, the same trip took 132 minutes, with an average speed of 27.6 km/h. Right now, Google Maps says that trip would take 130 minutes (there are no short turns at Downsview anymore so I can't grab that data from the service summary anymore), so they've knocked a paltry two minutes off the running time. Meanwhile, while in 2007 a round trip from Kennedy to Kipling and back took 101 minutes, today it takes... 102 minutes.
Amare
Senior Member
I wouldnt read much into the design of the train at this point. We dont even know who will be selected (although Alstom is the obvious bias).
Lets remember this was the early renderings of the streetcars that were to replace the CLRVs and ALRVs:
The only thing i'd read into the early renderings is that the TTC seems set on a stainless steel (or similar material) for the design. I havent gone through the RFP yet so I dont know if they actually spelled that out yet.
Lets remember this was the early renderings of the streetcars that were to replace the CLRVs and ALRVs:
The only thing i'd read into the early renderings is that the TTC seems set on a stainless steel (or similar material) for the design. I havent gone through the RFP yet so I dont know if they actually spelled that out yet.
EastYorkTTCFan
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Because it's easier to access by road. The rail link to greenwood was removed a few years ago to both expanded the rail corridor and the yard
JSF-1
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ARG1
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7 for Scarborough, 4 for maturityJust on time, @Steve Munro is out with a story on the RFP and has highlights:
TTC Issues RFP For New Subway Trains
On October 13, 2022, the TTC issued a Request for Proposals for a new fleet of subway trains. The submission deadline is July 28, 2023, and the anticipated contract award date is December 22, 2023.…stevemunro.ca
A couple of graphics from Steve's story, for the rest, follow the link:
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Lots of other interesting bits from Steve!
8 for Yonge North, 8 for maturity
Can someone explain to me the math here?
turini2
Active Member
So the base scope is 480 cars (80 6-car trains) to replace Line 2's T1 trains for today's service.
The 7 for Scarborough and 8 for Yonge North are needed to provided service on those extensions, and I guess the TTC is hoping for the province to pay for it. I can't remember what the deal says about rolling stock.
'Maturity' involves catering for future demand on those extensions, and the 4 + 8 trainsets are for that.
turini2
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Shout out to the misguided person in the Linkedin comments suggesting that the new trains should be battery powered only to save peak time energy useCross posted to TTC Other.
Not sure if this has been posted somewhere. Maybe time for a new thread?
Bem Case on LinkedIn: The TTC has just posted an RFP for 80 new subway trains - that’s a big… | 18 comments
The TTC has just posted an RFP for 80 new subway trains - that’s a big order at 480 subway cars! This is a big milestone for my team, for the many who have… | 18 comments on LinkedInwww.linkedin.com
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turini2
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Yeah this is Alstom's bid to lose, politically speaking - depends on how lowball the CRRC bid is, and how good their lobbying has been.
The design of the train (unsurprisingly) looks very engineering led, just copying & pasting the large chunks of the Toronto Rocket specification really. The colour choice is interesting - I would like to see a bright red subway train tbh, would be distinctive.
I guess we'll have to wait until the Ontario line for a contemporary, outcome based train design from Hitachi!
The design of the train (unsurprisingly) looks very engineering led, just copying & pasting the large chunks of the Toronto Rocket specification really. The colour choice is interesting - I would like to see a bright red subway train tbh, would be distinctive.
I guess we'll have to wait until the Ontario line for a contemporary, outcome based train design from Hitachi!
smallspy
Senior Member
The preference is for a stainless steel body, although there is a provision within the RFP to offer aluminum provided the proponent can show that it will last the full 35 year lifespan of the cars.
Dan
Deadpool X
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80 trains for line 2 sounds like a lot. How many trains are currently running on that line?
smallspy
Senior Member
It's not 80 trains for Line 2. It's 63 trains for Line 2, and 17 trains for Line 1.
Dan
M II A II R II K
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And why not build them longer to take up the whole platform.
drum118
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That was supposed to be the plan with the 7th car add on. The add on will be a small car and better off going to 7 equal length. You could have one end pass the platform for a short distance since they will be only the driver on the train in the first place. In time, there will be no driver at all.
Bordercollie
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That would change the turning radius and you would need to modify tunnels.