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TTC: Electric and alternative fuel buses

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turini2 said:
It's very interesting to see this from across the pond - some bus manufacturers here are going from strength to strength with the growth in BEB and FCEB in Europe.

But when London's fleet is nearly 9,000 buses (about 1,400 now electric), Paris is around 5,000 ... it's just a completely different level of numerical scale, where only New York can compete. The protectionist mindset in both Canada and the States doesn't help either - definitely drives up cost and lowers quality.

I also find it interesting that manufacturers are fighting back against Yutong/BYD/others by simply using their batteries in their existing bus designs. Alexander Dennis with a BYD battery pack was much more reliable than a BYD built bus...
(Toyota and Ballard are also trying to do the same with fuel cells - Toyota now owns a Portuguese bus manufacturer!)
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Finally found a source for something I wanted to include - Alexander Dennis' new Enviro400EV double decker will have a 14 year / 1 million km battery warranty, allowing it to cover two consecutive TfL bus contracts of 7 years. Capacity of 87 with 472kWh batteries (range of 418 km), or 96 with 354kWh batteries (range of 313 km).
 
turini2 said:
Finally found a source for something I wanted to include - Alexander Dennis' new Enviro400EV double decker will have a 14 year / 1 million km battery warranty, allowing it to cover two consecutive TfL bus contracts of 7 years. Capacity of 87 with 472kWh batteries (range of 418 km), or 96 with 354kWh batteries (range of 313 km).
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Anyone can put a warranty on anything for any amount of years/kms. But if it's in the shop half the time for warranty work there is really no point.

Do you see the GO electric bus fleet in service? Have they been in service? I haven't seen them since the pilot project was launched.
 
Bordercollie said:
Anyone can put a warranty on anything for any amount of years/kms. But if it's in the shop half the time for warranty work there is really no point.

Do you see the GO electric bus fleet in service? Have they been in service? I haven't seen them since the pilot project was launched.
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Well quite!
 
Bordercollie said:
Anyone can put a warranty on anything for any amount of years/kms. But if it's in the shop half the time for warranty work there is really no point.

Do you see the GO electric bus fleet in service? Have they been in service? I haven't seen them since the pilot project was launched.
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I saw them once, and even then they weren't in service LOL.
 
Looks like New Flyer has confirmed there will be no HEV artic option come 2026. TTC will either have to go back to diesel or try battery-electric. Earlier this year, a New Flyer electric artic made its rounds at the TTC, so they’ve had at least a cursory look at ones. BYD is the other artic option.

It’s unknown if Nova Bus will have an electric artic ready by then. However, as per a post on the CPTDB, there is R&D happening for what looks like a new 40-foot model. Maybe an electric artic is being developed in parallel.
 
APTA-2048 said:
Looks like New Flyer has confirmed there will be no HEV artic option come 2026. TTC will either have to go back to diesel or try battery-electric. Earlier this year, a New Flyer electric artic made its rounds at the TTC, so they’ve had at least a cursory look at ones. BYD is the other artic option.

It’s unknown if Nova Bus will have an electric artic ready by then. However, as per a post on the CPTDB, there is R&D happening for what looks like a new 40-foot model. Maybe an electric artic is being developed in parallel.
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I'm sure Cummins is working on something for 2027. It's not the first time they didn't have an engine ready. I'm sure this is temporary.

How reliable or confident will TTC be in getting the articulated EV? Either TTC will have to keep the 9000 Nova artic's longer or go back to Diesel artic's, which politically will be a bad look for Olivia and Jamaal. I see them pressing TTC to jump into EV artic's, for the sake of keeping the green agenda. BYD could redeem themselves with TTC if this continues.

Nova is also in limbo about their future. But seem to be going full steam with EV. Rumor is , if Volvo does indeed gets rid of Nova , the Quebec Government will simply buy them until another company is willing to take them over.
 
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