Bordercollie
Senior Member
If Nova bus went under, that would leave only New flyer which would create a monopoly in the Canadian market. Not going to happen.
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TTC: Electric and alternative fuel buses
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Amare
Senior Member
Again, if Volvo chooses they can close up shop there's nothing stopping or preventing them from doing so. There are other players out there who may choose to expand into the market should NovaBus close up shop.
Just an FYI New Flyer already has a partial monopoly on some product offerings in any case.
RapidTransit
Active Member
Im willing to bet that Nova won't go under.
If I remember correctly, Newflyer had a similar issue in the mid 1980s were the province of Mainitoba bought Newflyer for a good chunk of shares or bought them outright until another company came in to buy it. I expect the same to happen with Nova and the province of Quebec.
Nova does have a good chunk of orders for Ebuses, so for the next couple years I expect them to be alright.
The only area that might concern me is their move to no longer offer Diesel buses, which I think might be a bit premature. But what do I know.
It will be interesting to see where this new company sets up a facility. But I would assume the West Coast considering that's their start in the industry. I'm sure TTC is fully in tune with the bus market and this new player coming in.
If I remember correctly, Newflyer had a similar issue in the mid 1980s were the province of Mainitoba bought Newflyer for a good chunk of shares or bought them outright until another company came in to buy it. I expect the same to happen with Nova and the province of Quebec.
Nova does have a good chunk of orders for Ebuses, so for the next couple years I expect them to be alright.
The only area that might concern me is their move to no longer offer Diesel buses, which I think might be a bit premature. But what do I know.
It will be interesting to see where this new company sets up a facility. But I would assume the West Coast considering that's their start in the industry. I'm sure TTC is fully in tune with the bus market and this new player coming in.
drum118
Superstar
There is Gillig from California that could enter the Canadian market since they supply buses of all sizes and types right across the US and the second largest in the US.
BYD has yet to make a dent in the US market and we have seen how well they have been with TTC so far.
Someone else from Europe could take over NovaBus plants with hopes they will do better than the last ones in NA who disappeared due to poor products. Ask TTC about the first artic's they go from a European supplier.
You got Vicinity Motor Corp in BC who makes the 30' buses that could expand if good funding backing from all levels can be had as welling to do so.
BYD has yet to make a dent in the US market and we have seen how well they have been with TTC so far.
Someone else from Europe could take over NovaBus plants with hopes they will do better than the last ones in NA who disappeared due to poor products. Ask TTC about the first artic's they go from a European supplier.
You got Vicinity Motor Corp in BC who makes the 30' buses that could expand if good funding backing from all levels can be had as welling to do so.
Steve X
Senior Member
Alexander Dennis is owned by New Flyer these days. Their single deck buses will never hit the North American market.
The bus market is so volatile, it's very difficult for new players to join. It would be ideal if everyone bought in small batches but everyone wants to make large batch orders and not order again within a few years. TTC planned to have a regular delivery of 100 or so buses every year back before COVID and what is happening how? Hunting down money to make the next big batch order.
dowlingm
Senior Member
If Volvo wants out of the Canadian bus market, maybe they should sell their Canadian operation to a trusted Cdn name in Transportation with prior experience in bus manufacturing 
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GAC Ireland - Wikipedia
Bordercollie
Senior Member
I'm sure that Nova bus is still around thanks to investment and engineering help from Volvo. Without it it would just be a Quebec crown corporation that will get provincial orders by default.If Volvo wants out of the Canadian bus market, maybe they should sell their Canadian operation to a trusted Cdn name in Transportation with prior experience in bus manufacturing
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drum118
Superstar
Isn't that being done now as well in the past??
drum118
Superstar
March 25
I caught this in Canton Ohio, and it was the first one I have come across being Hydrogen power. They have 6 of these and the only shot I could get of them since I only saw one of them.
SARTA (Stark Area Regional Transit Authority) 1713 ENC Axess BRT 40' FC Bus
I caught this in Canton Ohio, and it was the first one I have come across being Hydrogen power. They have 6 of these and the only shot I could get of them since I only saw one of them.
SARTA (Stark Area Regional Transit Authority) 1713 ENC Axess BRT 40' FC Bus
APTA-2048
Senior Member
One of their buses actually toured a few agencies in Ontario a couple of years ago.March 25
I caught this in Canton Ohio, and it was the first one I have come across being Hydrogen power. They have 6 of these and the only shot I could get of them since I only saw one of them.
SARTA (Stark Area Regional Transit Authority) 1713 ENC Axess BRT 40' FC Bus
APTA-2048
Senior Member
I’m kind of getting further off topic, but Solaris has the interest of a major transit agency in the US (the MTA). I’m told Solaris is currently looking for manufacturing facilities and has an eye one one in California.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Why would they sole source a unproven product?
T3G
Senior Member
They're only getting 5, and it will be for that exact reason: to evaluate an unproven product.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
The MTA usually tests small batches of buses, especially new products on the market. They also have a small order of electric buses from Nova and a small order of electric coaches from Van Hool. Though the latter may be jeopardized by Van Hool’s current financial situation.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
They might as well throw the money in the Hudson River.