scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
Maybe it's people using the 'Sheppard' station but entering/exiting via the Harlandale entrance, which may be counted as part of the 'Yonge' station...
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rbt
Senior Member
Or Yonge riders that go up the stairs, realize it's not an exit, and go back down again and out at the end of the platform.
Or.. They did the Sheppard count on a busy day and the Don Mills count on a slow day (anyone believe Don Mills dropped in ridership -- I don't).
Or.. They did the Sheppard count on a busy day and the Don Mills count on a slow day (anyone believe Don Mills dropped in ridership -- I don't).
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
I've never seen someone go up the stairs and then back down...commuters know where they're going.
But yeah, if Sheppard was 5% busier one day and Don Mills was 5% less busy another day, that might do it.
But yeah, if Sheppard was 5% busier one day and Don Mills was 5% less busy another day, that might do it.
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
So, here's the latest station ridership figures, 07-08:
http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/pdf/subway_ridership07_08.pdf
http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/pdf/subway_ridership07_08.pdf
There are some reasonable gains in ridership since the 05-06 stats of two years ago.
The Yonge line is up 6.89%
The Bloor line is up 2.27%
The Scarboro RT is up 2.93%
The Sheppard line is up 11.06%
The DRL is not up any %, as stupidly, it does not exist.
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The Yonge line is up 6.89%
The Bloor line is up 2.27%
The Scarboro RT is up 2.93%
The Sheppard line is up 11.06%
The DRL is not up any %, as stupidly, it does not exist.
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Disparishun
Active Member
It would be interesting to see year-on-year per station and line. Or imagine a subway map with each subway station as a dot whose size was proportional -- maybe on a log scale rather than arithmetic -- to its traffic. (Taking the higher of the numbers for transfer stations, I guess.)
Eyeballing quickly, College looks like it has had tremendous growth, which is not surprising. Also, Eglinton seems to have dropped from last year?
Eyeballing quickly, College looks like it has had tremendous growth, which is not surprising. Also, Eglinton seems to have dropped from last year?
Eglinton has grown from 67,930 riders in 2005-2006 to 73,090 in 2007-2008.
And could the College growth be partly because of the massive rebuilding and shutdown of that streetcar line a couple of years ago? Was that when it happened?
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PS Queens Park - also on the rebuilt College Streetcar line is way up too.
And could the College growth be partly because of the massive rebuilding and shutdown of that streetcar line a couple of years ago? Was that when it happened?
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PS Queens Park - also on the rebuilt College Streetcar line is way up too.
Hypnotoad
Senior Member
(other lines to come later)
Disparishun
Active Member
Right, but in between (in 2006-2007) it went up to 75,020, then dropped 2.6% year on year.
What happened to Queen? Dundas must be due to streetcar reconstruction. Could Queen's Park and College also be up because of Dundas reconstruction?
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
A lot of the exact increases/decreases are dubious and probably represent an undercount one year and an overcount another year, or counting at different times/days. I mean, a few condos will not add 10,000 riders to College station, the Sheppard line's up even though fewer people are using the Yonge station, etc....something's off with a few of these numbers.
The stations that have dropped ridership from 2005-2006 to 2007-2008 (with my trenchant analysis as to why)
Bloor-Yonge (Bloor line), from 184,350 down to 179,909 (some diverting to St George to avoid platform crowding?)
Queen, from 59,620 to 56,288 (what for why how huh?)
Dundas, from 59,280 to 54,107 (what gives? Ryerson students walking more?)
Bay, from 33,610 down to 33,538 (Sassafraz not fully rebounded since fire)
St Patrick, from 31,160 down to 28,238 (fewer AGO patrons maybe? must be something else too)
York Mills, from 29,290 down to 26,586 (renovations a turn-off?)
Broadview, from 26,970 down to 25,893 (completed renovations a turn off?)
Warden, from 26,950 down to 26,128 (why go now that sparkling Warden Woods Mall is gone?)
Dundas West, from 26,340 down to 24,530 (?)
St Clair West, from 26,010 down to 24,368 (understandable with streetcar ROW under reconstruction)
Davisville, from 24,090 down to 24,060 (fewer TTC employees?)
Main Street, from 23,200 down to 22,117 (some resentful that street name is hyperbolized)
Wilson, from 19,650 down to 19,508 (within margin of error, meaning more people figuring out error of living in southern Downsview)
Royal York, from 19,110 down to 16,323 (local Kingswayites taking Hummers to work more often)
Jane, from 16,680 down to 16,343 (tired of waiting for Transit City line)
Runnymede, from 14,590 down to 13,844 (Bloor West Village now too pricey to stroll through)
Christie, from 12,950 down to 12,090 (walnut cakes not so 'in' anymore)
Spadina (Spadina line) from 12,450 down to 12,374 (marginal)
Greenwood, from 11,670 down to 10,130 (locals cocooning more?)
Lawrence East, from 9,560 down to 9,341 (also marginal)
Castle Frank, from 8,160 down to 7,899 (local demographic: aging, dying)
Summerhill, from 5,870 down to 5,601 (but I swear the quiet LCBO flagship there is picking up steam)
Midland, from 3,750 down to 3,325, (whatever)
Bessarion, from 2,130 down to 2,014 (waiting for its Concord Park Place boom)
and the biggest white elephant of them all
Ellesmere, from 1,960 down to 1,678 (close it).
There must be hundreds of bus and streetcar stops in the city that see more riders than Ellesmere.
Two dozen stations: ridership down.
Three and a half dozen stations: ridership up.
Is anyone at the City or TTC researching why?
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Bloor-Yonge (Bloor line), from 184,350 down to 179,909 (some diverting to St George to avoid platform crowding?)
Queen, from 59,620 to 56,288 (what for why how huh?)
Dundas, from 59,280 to 54,107 (what gives? Ryerson students walking more?)
Bay, from 33,610 down to 33,538 (Sassafraz not fully rebounded since fire)
St Patrick, from 31,160 down to 28,238 (fewer AGO patrons maybe? must be something else too)
York Mills, from 29,290 down to 26,586 (renovations a turn-off?)
Broadview, from 26,970 down to 25,893 (completed renovations a turn off?)
Warden, from 26,950 down to 26,128 (why go now that sparkling Warden Woods Mall is gone?)
Dundas West, from 26,340 down to 24,530 (?)
St Clair West, from 26,010 down to 24,368 (understandable with streetcar ROW under reconstruction)
Davisville, from 24,090 down to 24,060 (fewer TTC employees?)
Main Street, from 23,200 down to 22,117 (some resentful that street name is hyperbolized)
Wilson, from 19,650 down to 19,508 (within margin of error, meaning more people figuring out error of living in southern Downsview)
Royal York, from 19,110 down to 16,323 (local Kingswayites taking Hummers to work more often)
Jane, from 16,680 down to 16,343 (tired of waiting for Transit City line)
Runnymede, from 14,590 down to 13,844 (Bloor West Village now too pricey to stroll through)
Christie, from 12,950 down to 12,090 (walnut cakes not so 'in' anymore)
Spadina (Spadina line) from 12,450 down to 12,374 (marginal)
Greenwood, from 11,670 down to 10,130 (locals cocooning more?)
Lawrence East, from 9,560 down to 9,341 (also marginal)
Castle Frank, from 8,160 down to 7,899 (local demographic: aging, dying)
Summerhill, from 5,870 down to 5,601 (but I swear the quiet LCBO flagship there is picking up steam)
Midland, from 3,750 down to 3,325, (whatever)
Bessarion, from 2,130 down to 2,014 (waiting for its Concord Park Place boom)
and the biggest white elephant of them all
Ellesmere, from 1,960 down to 1,678 (close it).
There must be hundreds of bus and streetcar stops in the city that see more riders than Ellesmere.
Two dozen stations: ridership down.
Three and a half dozen stations: ridership up.
Is anyone at the City or TTC researching why?
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Hypnotoad
Senior Member
Full YUS line data updated (see above).
Something can definately be said for the impact of the College streetcar line being out of commission. Queens Park and College went way up while St. Patrick and Dundas each went down significantly.
Something can definately be said for the impact of the College streetcar line being out of commission. Queens Park and College went way up while St. Patrick and Dundas each went down significantly.
299 bloor call control.
Senior Member
The full Station Platform Usage Counts are available for purchase from the TTC and includes detailed (by hour and max hour) statistics and full historical numbers with graphs showing rolling averages for each station and each line. I'm not sure how much it is though. I got the copies from 2004-2006 while employed there and it's a fun read on the can.
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
^ Then call in sick tomorrow and get typing!
Or at least just tell us if Ellesmere's peak hour ridership cracks the century mark.