I think that's highly unlikely. The Yonge and Bloor subways were essentially "upgrades" of the existing streetcar routes in that they replaced long stretches of the routes. The DRL East -- if it even runs under King -- would duplicate only a small stretch of the King route before diverging towards Pape/Donlands.
In any case, I see that the map has been moved to the Fantasy Maps thread, which is where it seems to belong.
The DRL in this scenario covers a good chunk of the King route. The only stretch that isn't really covered is the small stretch between Queen and Dundas along Broadview, which is easily within walking distance of either the Queen streetcar, or the future DRL station on Queen. The Dundas streetcar would still serve the area north of Dundas. I honestly don't see the need for the King streetcar east of downtown when you have a much faster, much higher capacity transit route running within a block or so of it for most of the route.
If you think TTC would ever do anything like putting every streetcar line, Go train, GO bus, and VIVA route on their vehicle maps, then yes, it is a fantasy.
Especially the stuff like killing service on Broadview south of Dundas, Cherry ...
Not on the individual line maps above the doors, but on the broader system map, I think it does make sense. The TTC system doesn't exist in isolation, yet it's depicted as such on the RT map. With future fare integration between GO and 905 transit agencies, why would the TTC not at least show these connections to other transit systems? Vanity? A smug sense of superiority? Both the Boston and NYC subway maps show regional rail routes alongside subway/LRT lines.
Nice map! It really is a tight squeeze to get all the LRT stations/stops in, particularly the SELRT – but you’ve done it exceptionally well. Even when I excluded the FWLRT and SELRT and tried to only put in the Crosstown East’s stops, it was tricky and I didn't like my end result. When I had to move Birchmount and Ionview to the underside of the line to make it fit, IMO it screwed up the flow of things on my map - considering that every one of my E-W stations I had the name placed above the station.
Thanks! And yeah it's a challenge to squeeze a primarily E-W map onto a vertical page. If you're having trouble fitting them all on one side, my suggestion would be to alternate between above and below, that way it doesn't interrupt the 'flow' when reading them, since they're all that way.
And seeming that it's a common practice to point out mistakes (not as a critique or anything, but just to improve your map for future presentations), it looks as though there’s a station icon missing for St Lawrence.
Thanks for pointing that out. That could be because of the layering adjustments I did, it just got hidden behind.
As well, one thing I have a concern about is the font size. When I attempted to do a copy of the TTC’s system, but to-scale, I found I could only make it work by reducing the font size by a few points. Though this was for the map in the T1 cars, which does seem to have a bigger font than the LED map in the TRs. But I feel like anything smaller than the font in the Toronto Rocket subway map may be an issue for readability. Perhaps there's a set of guidelines floating around that describes how legible maps/ads have to be from certain distances...
That's a good point. Obviously I would have to print it out on a 20x28" sheet to see how it would actually look. It's a fine balance between too small to read and too big that it crowds the map.
It would be interesting to see how the TTC decides to organize things once the LRT lines are built. I believe the map will have to be redesigned, which means that each of the LED display boards will have to be reengineered, rebuilt, replaced etc...how much will that cost? I'm still of the opinion that the TTC will eventually have to abandon the space above the doors and move to a wall-mounted map.
Yup, there will simply be too much information that will need to be squeezed onto the overhead maps to make them effective, if they decide to keep the entire system on there I mean. Going back to the post about streetcars on the map, I think the streetcars have been excluded from the TTC overhead maps for legibility reasons more than anything. It would be too much info on such a small space. But if you switch to a wall-mounted map, suddenly you have a lot more space to work with, and thus a lot more relevant information that you're able to show.
One suggestion for doing a line with lots of stops would be to list the names of major stops/streets, and use a tick for minor ones. That way, people know there's a stop in between (the tick), and still have the major street names to help with navigation.
Boston does something similar for the Green Line stops on the branches. Were you thinking for the LRT, for the streetcars, or both? LRT I can definitely see, because they're off on their own, but the streetcars are so intertwined and there are so many stops that it may be difficult to make it fit.
