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Yes, they could extend the B/D into the York region too. :hat
I think the 54 should run Express to Leslie. It's just too busy a route to over-serve and be slowed-down on Eglinton with the rest of them.Observations:
- For the first time in a long time, I saw the ramp used on a Orion VII for a disabled rider, on the 54 at Don Mills. I have been on the 54 many times before through Don Mills and Scarborough, but it really slows to a crawl on Eglinton, as all the buses play leapfrog. Eglinton needs rationalization badly.
who on earth do you think will be using the two subway lines at the zoo?
I wish socialwoe would keep posting...We miss you!
No, you said the Rouge Park would be developed, not that it had to be (although it would have to be to support a subway to Malvern, probably even an extension to Markham Road).
The SRT replacement process proves that even when "little guys" constitutes the vast majority of the population of Scarborough, politicians and the TTC still won't care and will favour a half billion dollar band-aid solution that will leave transit in Scarborough oozing and infected.
That's not what gambit means...anyway, you think STC is an insignificant node unworthy of heavy rail transit connections, so why are you so concerned about adjacent areas that are not designated for intensification? west of Brimley deserve subway access? This is the wasteland you were lambasting earlier in the thread.
They can? St. Clair is really flying along, isn't it? And how much did the Harbourfront streetcar project cost, again?
Since the TTC has the creativity of a fruitfly, they have no real intention of working through the Stouffville corridor or even contemplating a Danforth to McCowan corridor.
The greatest concentration of buses is on Yonge north of Finch, which sees about 120 buses an hour.
A subway to Eglinton & Hurontario would be closer to Yonge than Rouge Hill.
I didn't think it was possible, but that plan is even worse than socialwoe's...there's some good stuff mixed in, for sure, but there's a good $100 billion of useless junk thrown in. An Elgin Mills subway line? C'mon, the line between fantasy map and just plain stupid can't be that vague.
Oh my...please go back to the 1953 Chamber of Commerce meeting that you came from. You really don't seem to grasp the concept of government control of development. The government has ensured with armfuls of legislation that Rouge Park will never be developed. Legislation means that it's the law.
Uhh...every single rapid transit expansion in the last 27 years has been to the east - Sheppard and the RT - save one stop up to Downsview. The subway line serving the west (Eglinton) was even cancelled favouring the one serving the east (Sheppard)...How are Peel and Durham "equal"? Peel is closer to Toronto, has far more people, far higher transit ridership, and far higher density.
Yet another pdf for you to google. The Weston committee specifically proposed a subway following Scarberian's route as an alternative to Blue 22.
Yes, they could extend the B/D into the York region too.
McCowan is pretty low density. I thought so, but now I see it for myself.
Malvern is underserved. It does not need a subway though. I think an express bus to STC looping around the Malvern TC
I think the 54 should run Express to Leslie. It's just too busy a route to over-serve and be slowed-down on Eglinton with the rest of them.
Wow that's a really detailed plan. If I was going to tear it apart, I wouldn't know where to start.
Gee, it must've sucked not having someone to mock and jeer around for two and a half weeks.
Where's the $ going to come from to build this dream subway of your's?
Stupid, not streetcars, elevated ICTS trains! I hate it when people refer to the lousy Spadina, Harbourfront and St Clair routes as "rapid transit" which is erroneously deceptive and misleading. If we don't start somewhere, we'll never have enough public support to heckle politicians for massive change i.e. citywide RT network within years NOT decades of waiting for 6kms of 'stubways' through low density sprawl.
Not buses, the routes themselves. Nowhere else in Toronto has the number of TTC routes Malvern does and for that fact alone the elimination of a prolengthened journey to STC makes a RT extension all the more necessitious.
Who cares about Yonge St, this is about linking one end of the city to the next.
and Don Mills (N of Lawrence it'd be futile)
My forward-thinking sees the viability of this extension even despite Scarberian's persistence that 75,000 people and growing ain't enough to support it
So tell me now, how exactly did the Spadina/Harbourfront LRT, St Clair LRT, entire Spadina subway line, York U/Vaughan extension, proposed Eglinton West line, proposed Sherway/MCC line benefit the east?
Oh and the fact the east's relatively unspoilt means it'll be a haven for newcomers and those escaping the hustle-bustle of Mississauga in the future.
Finally, another soul who knows the uselessness of a McCowan line, take note Scarberian.
If Eglinton can't be accomplished soley via subway please make it be monrail.
I do. Too many unnecessary GO lines and what the heck does he mean by pre-metro? If Eglinton can't be accomplished soley via subway please make it be monrail.
No, it sucked not having any worthless subway plans to ridicule...spmarshall's plan was quite sound.
has ensured that the TTC will spend at least half a billion dollars on upgrading the RT while a subway extension might cost $1.2 billion...the difference is approximately what the city will spend on the Spadina extension. Kill the sinkhole extension and fund a certifiably useful extension instead = two birds, one stone?
Yeah, elevated stuff is sooooo much cheaper and quicker to build.
Pretty much everyone in this city outside of this forum calls streetcar ROWs "rapid transit"...at least, politicans and the TTC do, and they're the ones that count the most. And since when is Don Mills & Sheppard "low density"? Low density compared to Kowloon? Bangladesh? What? I guess 12 storey highrises are the new bungalows.
You just don't get it, so I'll let you ponder the solution to this one alone for a while, grasshopper...
Yeah, linking random stuff together no matter how long or useless the lines are...we got that.
Then why did you say, on page 3, that the density at Don Mills & York Mills is immense? Remember, back when you proposed turning Sheppard down Don Mills to become a quasi-DRL?
you want to serve this population with 2 looping subway lines, while other areas in the city with many more people get nothing other than supposedly trivial feeder bus connections.
How do never-proposed lines benefit anyone?
he was referring to McCowan & Lawrence, the Bendale area. McCowan up in Milliken is as dense as any other suburban neighbourhood in the GTA. If memory serves me correctly, you really do love to pick out fragments of sense and make nonsense out of them.
An Eglinton subway line built today, given few or no other network changes, would have high ridership... That's why Eglinton is the ultimate fantasy line. Well, for normal people, not transwankers like you.
And you might want to check out the sordid and violent details of Seattle, Washington State's monorail's operational history before proclaiming it a model for all.
Mono-D'oh!
You would need to pick a place which is either suburban, industrial, or not developed yet for a monorail to fit in well.