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Note that they're wearing green and purple - the colours of the two Malvern lines.
Fine then why don't you build your own damn subway systems completely independent of our's since you feel so justified in demanding running miles of underused subways to a dense pocket half a world away while our own dense zones get shit >: . Yeah I can see it now, full Hurontario and Hwy 7 Lines to Caledon and Uxbridge. NYC and Chicago have great systems because they know when to stop the subways and let commuter trains and buses take over the rest. Subways can't run outwards forever, what more could you possibly want that a dozen regional terminals meeting with hard subways at or near their borders and even minor juts inwards(Pearson) can't accomplish?
To throw us off the trail of course, lol!
I just find it odd he puts all this stock in yet to proven successes of new and currently non-existant developments and neighbourhoods yet he refuses to give NE and SE Scarborough and north-central Etobicoke a chance. How can he be so certain the population of some areas will never increase and even if they don't are the people living/working/studying there now to forever rely on unreliable bus and GO service?
There is so much rubric in that statement. YUS already serves the CBD extremely well, a King-Bay station would be so redundant
If the SRT went that far, Malvern routes would be cut back from STC shaving 20 mins off Malvernites' commute
more people would use the Ellesmere, Midland and McCowan stops if they were more easily accessible- you wouldn't believe the number of people that prefer the longer route to STC (43B, 131E, 21) over SRT.
It seems I was onto something all along and I got mocked for nothing, but then all the visionaries suffer tribulation before others see the light I suppose, even Jesus.
So this is about seniority now? I might not have been here long but that doesn't mean my points aren't valid. People seem too relaxed and content with what we got, I'm just trying to foster debate and motivate others to put the city first. I'm passionate for transit and if that comes across as unreasonable so be it, I archived all twenty pages of this board before I began posting so don't tell me I haven't done my homework.
Don't turn this around on anyone else. You're the only one so far who has suggested extending the subway into the wilderness.
Dude, either get over my quasi-support of the Vaughan line or get it off your map. It's that simple.
did you notice that your Sheppard line doesn't go to the airport?
They could all be very busy stations on north/south routes with...no, strike that -- in your world people only travel east and west.
I thought I was supposed to be the contradictory one?
antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.
An extension to Markham & Sheppard would save most Malverners about 5 minutes. Of course, lots of the people who take the RT to STC travel north along McCowan or east along Ellesmere, but you don't seem to care about them because Malvern is 'isolated' and 'underprivileged' and, of course, 'dense.'
I'll let someone else rip your Eglinton skyway to shreds, but I can't pass up this tasty morsel.
I'm the one that told you why Midland and Ellesmere stations weren't busy, on page 4.
Hold on...I thought you were all gung-ho for the elimination of transfers, no matter what the circumstances or how silly the routes became?
All for nothing? A contrario, eventus stultorum magister, which makes these tribulations necessitious.
What's the matter with Toronto having a Zoo station? Looks kinda exciting to me...
So long as there was the ridership to justify it. One thing for sure about his map is that it's complete and utter bullshit.
So if the immediate population around a station isn't dense we're not to serve it? Are all the dense nodes east of SRT to be backwatered forever because of distance? And I don't dislike the VCC extension, I dislike it's being built before more important expansions are accompilished (BD to Sherway, Hwy 27/Pearson RT or subway, Yonge to Steeles, SRT reno and extension, Don Mills BRT, BD to Guildwood, Queen-Eglinton transit upgrade) and that it's not run above ground to save $.
And Finch for the NW? Tell me what's there beyond Jane-Finch and a tiny cluster of chain malls at Weston Rd. With the York U extension, express buses can soon start operating out of Finch West Stn less than 5 mins away. It's that simple!
Wow just when I thought I was being gang-raped you post this. Thank you so very much. This prompted to go fact-checking and I stumbled across this report I didn't even know about:www.gettorontomoving.ca/Public Transit.pdf
It clearly states rapid transit is planned to service NE Scarborough all the way to the Zoo. It also makes mention of adding Queen and Eglinton subways into the mix with no mention of deep suburban penetration or even the DRL. It seems I was onto something all along and I got mocked for nothing, but then all the visionaries suffer tribulation before others see the light I suppose, even Jesus.
If by that you recognize Morningside IS a dense corridor deserving of a subway link then I commend you. A line to UTSC-Highland Creek would do so much for the most overlooked section of the GTA, you couldn't imagine how beneficial it'd be in the long term.
Does anyone get the importance of cross-city east-west connectivity? It's alot worse along Finch West and worse yet there isn't even the occasional single-family residences you describe til you hit Islington. Where's the ridership going to come from? For all the beratement I've endured for not putting lines where they'd serve the most people, you all seem pretty content serving next to nothing when the low-income residents of Sheppard West would account for at least 10,000 trips a day, not much but more than the vacant lots at Milvan and Signet.
You truly live up to your name don't you? Eglinton's too narrow in the centre to support a guideway and at any rate since when was Eglinton ped-friendly. If the TTC could work out a deal with owners of the buldings adjcent to Eglinton, that the 2-storeys not expand upward and the line could jut through some of the buildings, it's likely an elevated subway through Yonge-Eglinton is possible. East of Moore Place (Mount Pleasant) the line runs behind the apts and along the parklands near Roehampton til Bayview, where the line runs along the roof of Sunnybrook Plaza before dipping underground through Leaside at Bessaborough. Apart from there and the Bathurst-Keele section, the line could largely be elevated.
You think Queen-Eglinton would be more of a drain on the system than the two fare hikes within a year the Sheppard Line cost? Yes I DO gurantee cause unlike Sheppard, Queen serves everywhere from Port Credit to Cliffside, including the colossally dense CBD and Entertainment district (tell me there alone ain't 100,000 ppd easy) and Eglinton serving everyone from Hamilton to Oshawa (think about it, the clue's on my map) including several dense nodes all along its length.
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The DRL study examined a Queen line closely. Not only does it not serve the Financial District very well, but it also encourages undesirable development in the stable residential neighbourhoods along Queen east and west of downtown. The rail corridor is far from impenetrable.
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There is so much rubric in that statement. YUS already serves the CBD extremely well, a King-Bay station would be so redundant given the proximity of five stations within walking distance plus an additional Bay-Queen-Richmond stop for City Hall/Eaton's. Furthermore if a Yonge Express line on adjacent Bay is ever built what's to stop it from serving here. In light of opposition to QQ on the Queen line, I propose the express line serve Queens Quay, King, Dundas, Bloor, Davisville (3rd track's already available), Sheppard then onwards into YR making current the YUS a local line and hence allowing Glencairn-Yonge (Blythwood), Glen Echo, Lord Seaton and Drewry-Cummer to join the subway family.
As for development: the Drake, Swansea and Woodbine Mews for starters are just a few of the places being developed irregardless of no subway along Queen. Add the Mimico waterfront and that argument of yours holds less water. I'm sure these stable residents are mighty peeved they can't take the subway home despite living right in the downtown, but I bet it doesn't affect you that Dufferin/Ossington is 30 mins away from YUS via sluggish streetcars. And those developments in West Donlands and East Bayfront are just as accessible from Queen than anywhere, (remember the coast recedes the further east you go making Queen the southernmost major artery) hence the Don Valley Stn is within range of corktown/Cherry St and a new bus route can operate out of its terminal bringing residents even closer.
Lol! So who was just griping that the Queen line would be inaffective to the CBD. You're just as indecisive as Scarberian! And there'll be negative affects on the theatre/club districts, art-deco block, fashion district, Queen West shopping, Paramount Cinema, CHUM-City, Chinatown and Kennsington Market? It's like the more sensible my plans get the more you find outrageous reasoning and psuedo-logic to discredit them. Oh and if Jarvis, Sherbourne and Parliament won't draw as many riders as farther south (Distillery?) will what's to stop the line from going there. DRL has it's benefits yes but amalgamated with the Queen corridor, not merely on its own, that's all I've been saying.
To throw us off the trail of course, lol! I just find it odd he puts all this stock in yet to proven successes of new and currently non-existant developments and neighbourhoods yet he refuses to give NE and SE Scarborough and north-central Etobicoke a chance. How can he be so certain the population of some areas will never increase and even if they don't are the people living/working/studying there now to forever rely on unreliable bus and GO service?
Fine then why don't you build your own damn subway systems completely independent of our's since you feel so justified in demanding running miles of underused subways to a dense pocket half a world away while our own dense zones get shit . Yeah I can see it now, full Hurontario and Hwy 7 Lines to Caledon and Uxbridge.
NYC and Chicago have great systems because they know when to stop the subways and let commuter trains and buses take over the rest. Subways can't run outwards forever, what more could you possibly want that a dozen regional terminals meeting with hard subways at or near their borders and even minor juts inwards(Pearson) can't accomplish?
If you've ever seen Eglinton between at least Mount Pleasant and Keele, you'd know that it's a very pedestrian friendly and bustling shopping strip.
all I've tried to do was prioritze the core over the suburbs first
I am.
But I guess to you that's shits and giggles.
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant
make Eglinton pedestrain friendly
You've told me nothing I didn't already know
Too bad you've all lost faith in my suggestions
That being said, a long-range fantasy including an extension of the subway from Ellesmere east to UTSC or an Eglinton line running north isn't unreasonable
Yeah, I dreamed about running subways along the roof of buildings too.
all I've tried to do was prioritze the core over the suburbs first
all I've tried to do was prioritze the core over the suburbs first