The connecting feeder routes justify extension to at least Steeles. The Steeles East and West bus carry 55,000 together daily and operate 77 buses during morning peak hour. This is twice the amount of the entire VIVA network and more than four times the VIVA Blue Bus down Yonge Street (16,000). Plus the development potential at Newtonbrook Plaza and Steeles Corners would be huge on it's own. (And IMO is a lot more promising/realistic than Hwy-7/Yonge)
But - but THE CAPACITY!!! ISN'T ANYONE THINKING OF THE CAPACITY?!?!?!?!
Too many funny people on this board. Shoot down one argument, another pops up. Steeles hasn't made sense for generations, but it's totally OK to think there is any scenario on this planet where:
a) they build a subway north of Finch
b) it stops at Steeles
It'll never happen, so why discuss it?
This logic seems.... incredibly flawed...
"Oh we are not over the cliff yet, better keep moving forward!"
It's not a physical wall. it's a dynamic system - I can't explain it but I suspect you actually get it anyway.
if they are already at 111% and the line can be at 96% with the Yonge line open....what are you talking about, exactly? Are you suggesting that's not a step forward because 96% is within the margin of error of 100%?
Even if it was 100%, that would still be an 11% improvement!
The lack of logic is more stunning than the lack of math.
Except:
1. The fare the 905 riders pay had exactly nothing to do with the distance they travel;
2. The 905 riders live outside Toronto and therefore don't pay property taxes that fund so much of TTC operations; and
3. If outer suburbanites are so concerned about working downtown then they should be incented to live closer instead of in their sprawled, heavily-subsidized wasteland.
As for that bike bullshit, seriously, somebody who lives on half an acre in Richmond Hill should get a seat on a conveniently located subway while someone who lives in a densely populated area has trouble cramming onto a packed train? That's the kind of fucked up lunacy that has made transit in this region such a mess.
1. Makes no sense. First, if they came from York Region, they either paid a double fare or parking, so they did pay "by distance," way more so than any TTC rider.
2. So what?
3. You have no understanding of the economics of development so I'm not going to explain it.
But you're totally right - they should all go live near Rosedale station, the entire region. That would solve our problems.
Also, you kiss your mother with that mouth? Most of us can just and poke at each other - even crack the odd witticism - without the cursing. You know less than anyone else here and aren't as funny. Go the "I Hate 905" boards instead, why don't you?
96% is irrelevant. We're using GTA v4 now, and the volume/capacity ration for YNSE is 111%.
Like I said, I'm not going to quibble. Simple question for you and Amare:
-Does the report - GTAv4 or not - SAY that there will be a sliver of capacity? Yes, it does. it says there will be capacity EVEN IF the extension is open. That's what Alan Shefman said in the Star article.
I don't know what Amare is on about - the politicians know how to read stuff that's in black and white. No one came out last week and said, "Oh, but we're using GTAv4 now!" They said the report does not say that and Shefman was lying. It does. End of story.