TheTigerMaster
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What it has is a completed E.A. and three governments (federal and provincial govts, York Region) keen on backing it.This whole scheme needs to go gentle into that good night.
Must have a Metrolinx executive (or two) that lives in Richmond Hill.
This whole scheme needs to go gentle into that good night.
Must have a Metrolinx executive (or two) that lives in Richmond Hill.
That would certainly explain how, unlike a lot of people on this board, they understand the crucial need for high-order transit there.
It's kind of sad that on a transit board there's so many people who can't wrap their heads around how great it is that a suburban municipality is trying to create dense, urban, transit-oriented pockets. Kind of sad, also, that the knee-jerk reaction to transit expansion in suburbia is about graft and corruption (The Sorbara Line! A pro-Richmond Hill bias on Metrolinx!) as opposed to a progressive planning regime.
Yeah, into that good night, indeed.
Not necessarily. Toronto is now insisting on a DRL before Yonge, or at least at the same time, but it's not impossible Yonge happens first if political decisions go a certain way. We are at the mercy of money and timing.It sadly comes with a hook though, and that is that in order for it to be built the DRL has to be built first.
I hope you meant Sheppard west to Downsview.at the end of the day there are so many other pressing transit needs. The DRL, QQE LRT, extending Sheppard east to Downsview, a better connection between the Humbar Bay Shores area and downtown, etc. I'd even put solving the problem of the Gardiner - either demolishing and finding a suitable alternative or making significant upgrades - as a more pressing issue. I'm not saying it should never be built, but needs to be pushed far into the future. Perhaps when they decide to make the leap and integrate all the transit authorities in the GTA.
Safe to assume you live in said suburban municipality?
There's a big difference between what would be nice to have and the realities of the transit situation in this city. The easiest thing to point out is how the Yonge line is already bursting at the seems and that extending this line further out into the 'burbs will only compound the issue. I'm certain that all you would accomplish in building this extension (at least initially) would be to make the commute of some people a bit cheaper as they would just hop on the subway and ride it all the way to downtown instead of taking GO transit.
They approved starting the process in 2008. How can you have any conditions, if you haven't studied the issue yet! See http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2008.MM25.14Toronto approved an E.A. for Yonge in 2008 without any conditions ...
That was an LRT plan. There was a separate Transit City report on buses, which wasn't included in the original Transit City as well. Giambrone was the chair when the current DRL study started ... which has been dragging it's feet for the last 2 years.Adam Giambrone didn't even include a DRL in Transit City
I've lived most of my life right near Steeles, on both sides, so I know what's needed and what will work, is the answer.
No, that's just all you will accomplish FOR TORONTO. There's a lot more going on. If you want to one day live in a region that isn't designed around the notion of people sleeping outside Toronto and driving into Toronto every day, you need to create viable, transit-oriented centres outside the city. Those plans are in place. If you want to kill them in utero, by all means, talk about what would be "nice to have [FOR TORONTO]" and would what "[TORONTO] needs to have." (Especially while Toronto has a mayor with no transit plan and a council that changes direction three times, the notion that the rest of the GTA should wait for them strikes me as dysfunctional at best, and harmful to the economy of the larger region, at worst.)
The mere fact people (I don't know about you) are fine with the extension going to Steeles proves definitively this is about municipal parochialism and not regional transit planning.
I don't think your point is bullshit but it is narrow. The whole region has been hamstrung by decades of neglect and parochial thinking. There are a lot of pieces needed to remedy that and the Yonge extension is part of that. (So is the DRL, so is all-day, two-way GO, so is extending Sheppard etc. etc.)
The simple fact is this: If you push it far into the future, you guarantee - GUARANTEE - more urban sprawl and ensure that by the time it is built it you will have perpetuated another couple of decades of poor planning (or, more accurately, undermined a large-scale attempt to remedy the post-war planning mistakes). Perhaps that's just my opinion but I look at a map, and the new official plans in Markham Vaughan and Richmond Hill, and watch the travel patterns up around the obsolete municipal border and see the writing on the wall.
Not necessarily. Toronto is now insisting on a DRL before Yonge, or at least at the same time, but it's not impossible Yonge happens first if political decisions go a certain way. We are at the mercy of money and timing.
I hope you meant Sheppard west to Downsview.
Yonge is clearly not going to be pushed far into the future, and Toronto bears a great deal of responsibility for that. Toronto approved an E.A. for Yonge in 2008 without any conditions, and Toronto dragged its heels on not making a DRL an official priority until 2012. Adam Giambrone didn't even include a DRL in Transit City, and let's not forget that was in an era when Toronto was given $8 billion to spend on any transit projects we wanted.
Blaming York Region for being successful in advancing its transit vision avoids the real issue -- we effed up!
They approved starting the process in 2008. How can you have any conditions, if you haven't studied the issue yet! See http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2008.MM25.14
The approval itself came in January 2009, with many, many conditions, including prioritizing the DRL. See http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2009.EX28.1
That was an LRT plan. There was a separate Transit City report on buses, which wasn't included in the original Transit City as well. Giambrone was the chair when the current DRL study started ... which has been dragging it's feet for the last 2 years.
So what will the Yonge Line do that the Richmond Hill GO Line won't?
Heck, allow easy travel to Dundas and Yonge. Travel time from Langstaff (future Richmond Hill subway station) to Union is 42 minutes in rush hour. Finch to Union is 28 minutes (or it was before they got those slower TR trains on - presumably they'll get that fixed). Additional travel time to Richmond Hill station is expected to be about 12 minutes, meaning the subway will be a bit faster than the GO Train. So even if your working at King/Yonge, the subway will be significantly faster.Allow a person easy travel from Richmond Hill to their job at St. Clair & Yonge?
So what will the Yonge Line do that the Richmond Hill GO Line won't?