TOareaFan
Superstar
"huge"......I'll take your word for that.
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"huge"......I'll take your word for that.
ksun
Senior Member
Of course they would have done their research, but I think the point is there is no point in creating unnecessary confusion when avoiding it is so easy.
crs1026
Superstar
I'm hoping that those DMU's will get C-xxxx tail lettering, and that we will be able to trace them on Flightaware.com 
- Paul
- Paul
1overcosc
Active Member
I am going to ask for a bit more clarification on what you are suggesting here.
Someone in Boston might fly from Logan to Billy Bishop to get on a streetcar or a shuttle to get to Pearson to then get on UPe to get to Pearson to fly to Shanghai? Why would they not just fly from Logan directly to Pearson and connect to Shanghai?
Someone in Lima would fly to Pearson to take the UPe to Union to take a streetcar or a shuttle to YTZ to then fly to Ottawa? Why would they not connect at Pearson to the many more flights to Ottawa that originate at Pearson compared to the few that leave from YTZ?
It seems we have taken the discussion about a bit of signage into a bit of a strange world where people go out of their way to, well, go out of their way
I myself will be doing a Kingston (Ont) -> Tel Aviv trip that involves passing through Union next winter. (Kingston -> Union on VIA, then UPX to Pearson, then flying from Pearson to Ben Gurion).
Queen's University is actually planning to post university staff to Union & Pearson this coming September, to help direct/welcome international students arriving in Kingston via Pearson->UPX->VIA.
TOareaFan
Superstar
Sounds like a great trip...but unlike the trips I responded to yours will not involve going out of your way to use two different airports in Toronto to link to an international city
Enjoy the trip and I bet you won't leave Kingston confused about which airport you need to get to and which rail connection (UP or 509) you need to take to get to the terminal!
MafaldaBoy
Senior Member
28 April 2015:
Union Pearson Express by Jimmy Wu Photography, on Flickr
Union Pearson Express by Jimmy Wu Photography, on Flickr
Union Pearson Express by Jimmy Wu Photography, on Flickr
Union Pearson Express by Jimmy Wu Photography, on Flickr
Union Pearson Express by Jimmy Wu Photography, on Flickr
Union Pearson Express by Jimmy Wu Photography, on Flickr
christiesplits
Senior Member
I like how the UP terminal livens up the Skywalk, which still looks pretty new at 26 years old.
TOareaFan
Superstar
It is a spectacular re-purposing.
One minor concern (which we can deal with later)....when Jays were very popular and selling out each GO line had a train waiting till "X" (I forget the value of X) minutes after the last out to take people home....so the combination of full SkyDome and GO being available to take people home made th SkyWalk very popular and it was full to crush loads.....
....we already know that GO is expanding service on the non-lakeshore lines.....so GO will once again become a more popular/viable way of getting home......if the Jays find a way to win and get back to 50k/night crowds....will the newly narrowed SkyWalk be able to handle the crowds?
There is the argument that the outside environs are more walkable now so they would take some of the crowds...but on a rainy day an "all inside" walk from a covered stadium to a climate controlled rail station/path connection has an appeal (that was the intent of building the thing in the first place) and the crowds may become a bit difficult to manage.
Still (IMO) worth the change but it is something to consider going forward.
Hairball
Active Member
Yeah when I was little I remember the Jays crowds in the SkyWalk, there were even stores there that had business! Hard to imagine, but it's nice we're going full circle, at least the UPX will help bring in people to the station.
Unless we look actually look a World Series contender, it'd be hard to imagine having 50k crowds on a random weekday game. Heck this month 20k is considered a large crowd.
The walkway leading from the plaza in front of the CN Tower to the entrance of the SkyWalk has already been narrowed with the addition of the Aquarium. For crowds after the game, the pinch point has already largely been moved back to the plaza. But yes you're right, I've used the SkyWalk a couple times after a weekend game and it was very busy.
yyzhyd
Active Member
There's also the south exit to the ACC or using york East teamway to head south and then head west on Bremner.
I'd imagine a large number would use this route or even front street.
I'd imagine a large number would use this route or even front street.
mdrejhon
Senior Member
Crowds in transit, probably (after all the construction blockage is removed). But it doesn't need to hold waiting crowds anymore. Back in the day, the refreshment stalls consumed space in Skywalk (as well as people standing in front of them), so there's actually not necessarily a net reduction of moving-crowd throughput to the heyday, although it may be slower moving than just right-pre-UPX for whole-stadium sellout events (which are rarer than in the past).
There will be 3x the GO concourse space, plus a brand new >100,000 square feet retail/food level (where none existed); this should sufficiently big enough to swallow several skywalk crowdfuls, and hopefully keep the pedestrian flow speed up a little, once the Revitalization is complete and there's no more detours.
Post-revitalization, it will be more fun to go to the SkyDome, especially for those tickets that include free GO transit, and that may actually increase crowd size measurably (numbers like +10%, +20%) in the GO RER / UPX era with new Union amenities, faster downtown commutes, and higher train frequency becoming new draws.
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Komiksulo
Active Member
I wonder how many people in that situation will take the southern PATH route via the Delta hotel and the office towers? Especially if they're going home via a Lakeshore Line train on Platform 27?
Tuscani01
Senior Member
I think a lot of people also skip PATH altogether and just walk outside. There's always quite a large mass of people walking along Front Street or Bremner on game days, especially when the weather is nice.
Hairball
Active Member
Until last year, it had been 2-3 years that the Skywalk exit on the west side had been obstructed due to the aquarium construction, so more people ended up taking the routes outside PATH. During construction if you took the Skywalk you have to make a detour where the south convention centre is, and it was a pain in the ass.