Okay, we'll that opinion is actually well reflected in the discussions that actually occur at those public consultations. But I'll point out that I and a couple (very few) other UT members actually attend these public consultations where opinions voiced actually matter and are on the public record impacting public policy and are a component of the democratic policy regime that shapes our urban environment. So I would challenge and encourage people to get up and out from beyond their computer and keyboard postings at UT to actually become engaged in the very public open and accessible planning process rather then simply posting on a message board and complaining about the state of Toronto affairs. Excuse my language, but rather than bitching and complaining about planning decisions on UT, you skyscraper fanatatics could actually show up to public meetings and put some skin in the game and voice you opinions to those that ultimately make decisions.