cplchanb
Senior Member
You can plan whatever you want but we all know that once you cross the line of departure the plan is thrown out the window
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toronto647
Active Member
Eglinton Station was opened 69 years ago and Pape Station was opened 60 years ago.... Lets hope we don't have a similar issue. One can only pray.
WalkieScorchie
New Member
Forgive me if I am mistaken, but does this mean that Contract execution for all above ground stations is scheduled for early 2025 and contract execution for all underground stations are scheduled for late 2025? Or just Pape?
toronto647
Active Member
That is a great question... I would recommend visiting the Infrastructure Ontario - Ontario Line website as it provides and in-depth review of the project and each of the major contracts. For your ease of reference, I have extracted information to answer your questions below.
Ontario Line Subway
The Ontario Line is an approximately 15.5 kilometre subway line that will run between Ontario Place/Exhibition through downtown Toronto to the Ontario Science Centre.
The Ontario Line is divided up in 4 separate major contracts.. 2 of which have already been awarded and construction has already started (Rolling Stock, Systems, Operations and Maintenance (RSSOM) and Southern Civil, Stations and Tunnel)
The remaining two are for 1) Pape Tunnel and Underground Stations & 2) Elevated Guideway and Stations. The way they have worded them is confusing because underground stations can mean all stations but in reality this isn't the case.
The 1) one includes the following:
The scope of work for the contract includes:
- Three kilometres of twin tunnels underneath Pape Avenue between the Gerrard portal and the Don Valley bridge
- Underpinning of the existing TTC Pape Station on Line 2.
- Two underground stations (Pape and Cosburn) and two portals
- Three emergency exit buildings/emergency services buildings
- A rail switch/crossover in the section of tunnel near Sammon Avenue
- Interface with Line 2 TTC subway
The scope of work for the contract includes:
- Three kilometres of an elevated guideway (bridge structures)
- Five elevated stations (Riverside-Leslieville, Gerrard, Thorncliffe Park, Flemingdon Park, Science Centre)
- One emergency exit building
- Interface with the maintenance and storage facility
- Interfaces with Eglinton Crosstown LRT Line 5 as well as sections of existing Metrolinx-owned rail corridor where Ontario Line trains will operate
Hope this helps
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toronto647
Active Member
Yes you are correct, sorry for the oversight. 58 years in 3 months.
Work began Eglinton LRT in 2011 about 12-13 years ago when Eglinton Station was around the same age in years as is Pape when Ontario Line construction will start. Lets hope for the best.
dtmtp2022
New Member
As a biker frequently taking Queen St downtown, it's frustrating to see that we were not considered in the shut down of queen between bay and Victoria for the OL. I wonder whether it would have really been that project-limiting to save 4ft of roadway for bikes to move through the intersections. The closest streets across are Dundas and Adelaide/Richmond depending on going WB or EB. Another example of how bikes are an afterthought in this city.
evandyk
Senior Member
"Cyclists dismount" is not usually the best way to manage cycling routes through a closure, but in this case it's a pretty viable way to get from Bay to Yonge.
dtmtp2022
New Member
Well, it's bay through to Victoria, which might seem like a short distance but contains important start/end destinations like the Eaton centre, st michaels hospital, some theatres, and the old city hall. Navigating through the pedestrians at rush hour while walking your bike slows down the commute by about 5 minutes. It's not a huge inconvenience but I also think the alternative of reserving a few feet of space does not seem like a huge inconvenience either (but I'd be open to hearing otherwise).
officedweller
Senior Member
Probably depends on whether the station box excavation will extend from property line to property line.
When Canada Line stations were excavated in Vancouver, the pit was practically the full width of the street,
with the sidewalk cantilevered from the side of the (then) Sears building (on the left in this pic)
and a minimal sidewalk on the other side.
Vancouver City Centre History Guide • The Canada Line
Vancouver City Centre History, Situated in the heart of downtown Vancouver on the Southwest corner of Granville Street and W Georgia Street, Vancouver City Centre Station offers ea
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Likewise for Waterfront Station - minimal sidewalks.
Waterfront History Guide • The Canada Line
Waterfront History, Located on Burrard Inlet between downtown’s historic Gastown and Canada Place, Waterfront Station is the Sole Northern terminus station of Canada Line as well
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44 North
Senior Member
Monteal's REM already getting shutdowns due to snow removal from pylons.
Overhead power supply: costs more, ugly, less reliable. Makes you wonder why OL won't use third rail.
Overhead power supply: costs more, ugly, less reliable. Makes you wonder why OL won't use third rail.
T3G
Senior Member
Good thing third rail is never affected by adverse weather conditions.
As for your other claims: please provide some evidence to back them up.
As for your other claims: please provide some evidence to back them up.
44 North
Senior Member
kotsy
Senior Member
If overhead power is more expensive and less reliable than why is most of Europeans commuter/high speed rail systems using it?
Also, why does it matter that it's uglier? The Ontario Line is half underground/tunneled where you won't even see it and the above ground portions will be in their own rail corridor, which is mostly out of view from the public.
Also, why does it matter that it's uglier? The Ontario Line is half underground/tunneled where you won't even see it and the above ground portions will be in their own rail corridor, which is mostly out of view from the public.
44 North
Senior Member
For intercity or longer-haul overhead is effectively the only option for electrified rail. Can't have third rail at level crossings or around people at that grade, and carrying long distances overhead is superior. Whereas OL is a subway and thus not relevant.
The underground portions now require larger tunnels, and taller stations. WRT aesthetics, the open air sections now have masts and wire adorned (e.g the Thorncliffe and Don Mills sections). It's in view, and makes the guideway more conspicuous and cluttered (i.e uglier).