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Historically, typical conservatives are not against infrastructure investments. 2 bad recent apples (Harris and Harper) changed that perception. They are the exception, not the rule
Yes, but an infrastructure investment bank is the type of business-y private-public sector cooperation that one might have expected to come from the Conservatives.

I think the Relief Line's BCA will make it a priority for any funding put into that investment bank.
 
Historically, typical conservatives are not against infrastructure investments. 2 bad recent apples (Harris and Harper) changed that perception. They are the exception, not the rule

22 years is an awfully long exception. That's more than a quarter of a typical lifespan. At what point does this "exception" become the rule itself?
 
Yup. I think this investment bank idea is going to be the saviour of our transit necessities, and this is a concept that typical conservatives can get behind of as well.

It is up to the cities to get projects shovel ready.

Can someone provide a rundown of how this infrastructure bank would work? I understand that the goal is to get foreign firms to invest in Canadian infrastructure. But those firms would surely expect a return on that investment. Where will this return be coming from? Roads, bridges and transit typically aren't profit generating.
 
Can someone provide a rundown of how this infrastructure bank would work? I understand that the goal is to get foreign firms to invest in Canadian infrastructure. But those firms would surely expect a return on that investment. Where will this return be coming from? Roads, bridges and transit typically aren't profit generating.

The initial Infrastructure fund : The Federal government will run deficits to fund eligible projects up to 50% for up to $186B until 2025.

Infrastructure Bank: Municipalities and provinces can borrow from the bank and have to pay it back with interest. Infrastructure projects creates jobs, strengthen the economy which increase government revenues allowing them to pay back the loan and proceed with more spending. That's the goal, doesn't always work but the Canadian economy is dangerously stagnating and something needed to be done.

That's how foreign investors gets their money back and Canada being a rich, safe and stable economy, that makes us attractive and foreign investment will invest.

@TigerMaster: The question that you ask is aimed at the Caisse de Depot and Placement du Quebec paying for a huge fraction of the Montreal REM. They claim that it will be financial viable, nobody buys that, not in our Canadian Context. Lots of people are of the opinion that the Quebec Premier pressured them into it... La Caisse have similar projects around the world since we're incapable of replicating Hong Kong Rapid Transit financial model, no way la Caisse get's their investment back. Newspapers are already speculating that prices will go up very fast...way up.
 
Historically, typical conservatives are not against infrastructure investments. 2 bad recent apples (Harris and Harper) changed that perception. They are the exception, not the rule
Not just 2. What about Premier Eves? And don't forget Premier Miller, who quickly cancelled the GO-ALRT project which would have run at subway-like frequencies from Pickering to Oakville through Union Station.
 
Any of the LRT lines {including Eglinton} would have a hard time getting a PPP because they are not grade separated. Grade separation allows for the automation of trains and hence lower operating costs, less chance of an accident, smaller stations but with higher capacity, and more easily distinguishable revenues than LRT as grade separated requires real segregated stations as opposed to just "stops".

If they were to grade separate Eglinton {which of course it should be regardless} they would have a MUCH easier time getting a PPP for western and eastern grade separated extension as long as they take over the entire line. You couldn't get just extensions {ie Yonge North} as they are logistical nightmares for PPP. This is why the SkyTrain extensions in Vancouver were not built as PPP but the brand new Canada Line which does not interline with any of the existing lines was.
 
Any of the LRT lines {including Eglinton} would have a hard time getting a PPP because they are not grade separated. Grade separation allows for the automation of trains and hence lower operating costs, less chance of an accident, smaller stations but with higher capacity, and more easily distinguishable revenues than LRT as grade separated requires real segregated stations as opposed to just "stops".

If they were to grade separate Eglinton {which of course it should be regardless} they would have a MUCH easier time getting a PPP for western and eastern grade separated extension as long as they take over the entire line. You couldn't get just extensions {ie Yonge North} as they are logistical nightmares for PPP. This is why the SkyTrain extensions in Vancouver were not built as PPP but the brand new Canada Line which does not interline with any of the existing lines was.

Ignore the talk about driverless buses (and cars), because they would never happen.

Toronto councillor wants TTC to study driverless buses
Are driverless buses the future of the TTC?

See link.

Would you get on a bus with no driver?

Coun. Michelle Holland thinks you soon might, and she's asking the TTC to investigate the idea.

"This idea has been about preparing the city for disruptive technology," she said. "I want to make sure the city is prepared for this new age … we know that within five years we're going to be seeing this more and more."

Coun. Holland's motion, which was seconded by Coun. Norm Kelly, asks the TTC to report on its preparations for the use of autonomous vehicles.

So far, nothing much has been done, said TTC spokesman Brad Ross.

"This is not something that is on our radar with respect to purchasing driverless buses or anything like that," he said.

"We don't even have driverless trains yet, and that's certainly nearer than driverless buses at this point. It's just not something that we're looking at."

Last month, the city started looking at the potential impact of driverless cars in Toronto.

Stephen Buckley, Toronto’s manager of transportation, said shared autonomous vehicles could potentially carry people “the last mile” between their homes and transit hubs.

Holland singled out the Dutch "WEpod" driverless bus as a "prime example" of the emerging driverless bus technology.

Summoned via smartphone app, the computerized, six-seat vehicles are expected to eventually transport passengers between towns in the Netherlands.

The TTC is already in process of automating parts of the subway. When the Automatic Train Control signal system goes live on Line 1 in 2020, computers will control factors such as train speed and spacing.

On the road, Holland thinks autonomous buses could work with services such as Wheel-Trans, which provides accessible, door-to-door service for people with disabilities.

"It's not something that is imaginary," she said. "It's something that is going to happen, and we have to be prepared for that.

So talk about driverless light rail on the surface likely will be impossible... not.

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Historically, typical conservatives are not against infrastructure investments. 2 bad recent apples (Harris and Harper) changed that perception. They are the exception, not the rule

Harper gave more to Transit funding than any federal government before. If you count him as bad, Martin and Chretien must be deplorable.
 
Ignore the talk about driverless buses (and cars), because they would never happen.

Toronto councillor wants TTC to study driverless buses
Are driverless buses the future of the TTC?

See link.



So talk about driverless light rail on the surface likely will be impossible... not.

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maybe he can negotiate with the union about this as well. I'm sure they will all love to find out they are losing their jobs.
 
maybe he can negotiate with the union about this as well. I'm sure they will all love to find out they are losing their jobs.

One step at a time, we can't even automate the subway trains. Jobs are important, but it shouldn't be used as an argument to prevent demonstrably superior service - retrain, redeploy, buyout.

AoD
 

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