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One thing that has puzzled me for some time is that there was an assumption years ago that the T1s would get a mid life refit so that their service life would be closer to the H series. Now the call seems to be to flog them along without a refit, and then replace. As it stands we are looking at a situation where T1s will have to turn back before the ends of the extended BD line while a group of TRs run out of Obico to STC. It also means any additional replacement of the signal system can’t occur without shrinking T1 territory even further. There is a lot riding on the TTC having enough capital dollars to acquire a full replacement TR fleet in quick time, when the cost-benefit of creating Obico based fixed consist T1 sets (all internal cabs either disabled or removed) to operate alongside the TRs is not (publicly) disclosed.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
I think what's going to happen is the BD line will get the TR2's and the TR's will stay on the YUSY line
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I think it's more likely that Davisville will see TR2s to help with capacity issues on the Yonge line, sending all their TRs (except the 6 Sheppard trains (unless the Sheppard West Extension becomes a thing really soon)) to Wilson. Wilson will remain TR since it's huge and can probably accommodate an additional 12 trains in the future (there's room to expand), Greenwood will get TR2s (~328 cars), since it's serving the Relief Line, and to prevent political turmoil from BD riders. The Keele yard will see TR2s because of the increased number of them.

In the far future, with Relief Line North: If the Kipling yard is ever built, I think it should hold the majority of the TR2 fleet, while Greenwood is repurposed for the TR3 fleet and Sheppard cars are moved from Davisville to Greenwood. If Sheppard West (and east, but they shouldn't build east without west) is built, then they'll still likely be using TRs from Wilson.
 
The TTC is drilling boreholes at Queen & University. I'm assuming it must be related to the Relief Line. Taken today:

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And the Notice posted to the fencing around the site:

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I got a notice at my place for drilling along my street (Langford Avenue). This is where the Line 2-Relief Line Wye will be, east of Pape to relief line tail tracks.
 
City of Toronto Media Relations has issued the following:
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News Release

November 8, 2018

City of Toronto announces new Transit Expansion Office

The City of Toronto is establishing a new Transit Expansion Office that will lead and direct the City's participation in long-term, multi-billion-dollar transit network expansion projects. The City also is beginning the search for the office's first Executive Director.

"We are building a connected transit network that will help people move around our city. We are reorganizing the City government to ensure we have an office focused on getting our major transit projects built as soon as possible," said Mayor John Tory. "Council has approved Toronto's transit network plan, voters have endorsed it and this office will be tasked with making sure every project in that plan, including the Relief Line, is completed on time and on budget."

The new Transit Expansion Office, the first of its kind for the City, will play an important role in providing end-to-end oversight of transit expansion projects as they advance through the project lifecycle and will:
• oversee and facilitate all processes related to transit expansion initiatives
• ensure that City interests and priorities are reflected in transit network expansion efforts
• serve as a single point of contact for all City divisions, the TTC, Metrolinx and other orders of government to co-ordinate municipal programs and services required to advance transit expansion projects and ensure that transit-related municipal processes are streamlined for the City.

"Fast and reliable transit is a priority in building toward a vibrant future for our city. Given the size and complexity of Toronto's transit expansion portfolio, we're searching for a leader who will put in place a team that can effectively co-ordinate projects among City divisions and agencies, and work closely with other orders of government to best serve our residents," said City Manager Chris Murray.

Over the next decade, the City will be working closely with Metrolinx to implement the SmartTrack Stations Program and the GO Expansion Program, while continuing to advance other priority transit expansion projects including the Relief Line, the Bloor-Danforth subway extension into Scarborough, the Eglinton East LRT, the Eglinton West LRT, and the Waterfront Transit Network.

This news release is also available on the City's website: https://bit.ly/2qDaOId

Toronto is Canada's largest city, the fourth largest in North America, and home to a diverse population of more than 2.9 million people. It is a global centre for business, finance, arts and culture and is consistently ranked one of the world's most livable cities. For information on non-emergency City services and programs, Toronto residents, businesses and visitors can visit http://www.toronto.ca, call 311, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, or follow us on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/TorontoComms, on Instagram at http://www.instagram.com/cityofto or on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/cityofto.

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EastYorkTTCFan said:
I think what's going to happen is the BD line will get the TR2's and the TR's will stay on the YUSY line
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Probably not.

The yonge line is busier, and after the Automatic Train Control is 100% operational, the TTC can fit a train that is two cars longer on the platforms. This would increase ridership capacity by almost 15%.

So the TTC will probably commission bigger TR2s and the Bloor Line will get the TR1s.

Line 1 is the TTCs crown jewel. It will always get preferential treatment. Its the Lakeshore Line of the GO Network.
 
robmausser said:
Probably not.

The yonge line is busier, and after the Automatic Train Control is 100% operational, the TTC can fit a train that is two cars longer on the platforms. This would increase ridership capacity by almost 15%.

So the TTC will probably commission bigger TR2s and the Bloor Line will get the TR1s.

Line 1 is the TTCs crown jewel. It will always get preferential treatment. Its the Lakeshore Line of the GO Network.
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Lies, the Sheppard Subway is the crown jewel. It always runs on time, is super clean, and you can almost always get a seat outside of rush hour. It's everything a commuter wants. It's also the northernmost line, so it's above everything else.~
 
Edward Skira said:
City of Toronto Media Relations has issued the following:
==========================================

News Release

November 8, 2018

City of Toronto announces new Transit Expansion Office

The City of Toronto is establishing a new Transit Expansion Office that will lead and direct the City's participation in long-term, multi-billion-dollar transit network expansion projects. The City also is beginning the search for the office's first Executive Director.

"We are building a connected transit network that will help people move around our city. We are reorganizing the City government to ensure we have an office focused on getting our major transit projects built as soon as possible," said Mayor John Tory. "Council has approved Toronto's transit network plan, voters have endorsed it and this office will be tasked with making sure every project in that plan, including the Relief Line, is completed on time and on budget."

The new Transit Expansion Office, the first of its kind for the City, will play an important role in providing end-to-end oversight of transit expansion projects as they advance through the project lifecycle and will:
• oversee and facilitate all processes related to transit expansion initiatives
• ensure that City interests and priorities are reflected in transit network expansion efforts
• serve as a single point of contact for all City divisions, the TTC, Metrolinx and other orders of government to co-ordinate municipal programs and services required to advance transit expansion projects and ensure that transit-related municipal processes are streamlined for the City.

"Fast and reliable transit is a priority in building toward a vibrant future for our city. Given the size and complexity of Toronto's transit expansion portfolio, we're searching for a leader who will put in place a team that can effectively co-ordinate projects among City divisions and agencies, and work closely with other orders of government to best serve our residents," said City Manager Chris Murray.

Over the next decade, the City will be working closely with Metrolinx to implement the SmartTrack Stations Program and the GO Expansion Program, while continuing to advance other priority transit expansion projects including the Relief Line, the Bloor-Danforth subway extension into Scarborough, the Eglinton East LRT, the Eglinton West LRT, and the Waterfront Transit Network.

This news release is also available on the City's website: https://bit.ly/2qDaOId

Toronto is Canada's largest city, the fourth largest in North America, and home to a diverse population of more than 2.9 million people. It is a global centre for business, finance, arts and culture and is consistently ranked one of the world's most livable cities. For information on non-emergency City services and programs, Toronto residents, businesses and visitors can visit http://www.toronto.ca, call 311, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, or follow us on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/TorontoComms, on Instagram at http://www.instagram.com/cityofto or on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/cityofto.

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More evidence we need a 'Superlinx' type body.
 
Streety McCarface said:
Lies, the Sheppard Subway is the crown jewel. It always runs on time, is super clean, and you can almost always get a seat outside of rush hour. It's everything a commuter wants. It's also the northernmost line, so it's above everything else.~
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And like all crown jewels, you hardly touch them, and wouldn't really miss it if you don't have it. As to this "czar" - not a bad idea in and on itself - but it's nothing more than a sacrificial lamb if is the intention is to offload political responsibilities while avoiding giving it what little powers the city is in a position to give. Given how cynically the city was governed by his worship, I have little doubt of that.

AoD
 
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robmausser said:
Probably not.

The yonge line is busier, and after the Automatic Train Control is 100% operational, the TTC can fit a train that is two cars longer on the platforms. This would increase ridership capacity by almost 15%.

So the TTC will probably commission bigger TR2s and the Bloor Line will get the TR1s.

Line 1 is the TTCs crown jewel. It will always get preferential treatment. Its the Lakeshore Line of the GO Network.
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Except for the Gloucester (red) trains. They remained on Line 1, after the wye routing was replaced with separate Lines 1 & 2.

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From link. (Charters may be the one of only a few ways for the public to see Lower Bay station. The Gloucester Farewell Charter stopped here, and Alan Gryfe took this shot.)
 
W. K. Lis said:
Except for the Gloucester (red) trains. They remained on Line 1, after the wye routing was replaced with separate Lines 1 & 2.
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Exactly and BD had the M1''s until they were retired. The only cars that really saw and service between the two on a regular bases were the H series and the T1's.
 
robmausser said:
Probably not.

The yonge line is busier, and after the Automatic Train Control is 100% operational, the TTC can fit a train that is two cars longer on the platforms. This would increase ridership capacity by almost 15%.
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This is incorrect, the max that the YUS and B-D line subway platforms can accomodate is a shorter 7th car on trains. By no means would they be able to acommodate 2 additional full length cars.

Edward Skira said:
City of Toronto Media Relations has issued the following:
==========================================

News Release

November 8, 2018

City of Toronto announces new Transit Expansion Office

The City of Toronto is establishing a new Transit Expansion Office that will lead and direct the City's participation in long-term, multi-billion-dollar transit network expansion projects. The City also is beginning the search for the office's first Executive Director.

"We are building a connected transit network that will help people move around our city. We are reorganizing the City government to ensure we have an office focused on getting our major transit projects built as soon as possible," said Mayor John Tory. "Council has approved Toronto's transit network plan, voters have endorsed it and this office will be tasked with making sure every project in that plan, including the Relief Line, is completed on time and on budget."

The new Transit Expansion Office, the first of its kind for the City, will play an important role in providing end-to-end oversight of transit expansion projects as they advance through the project lifecycle and will:
• oversee and facilitate all processes related to transit expansion initiatives
• ensure that City interests and priorities are reflected in transit network expansion efforts
• serve as a single point of contact for all City divisions, the TTC, Metrolinx and other orders of government to co-ordinate municipal programs and services required to advance transit expansion projects and ensure that transit-related municipal processes are streamlined for the City.

"Fast and reliable transit is a priority in building toward a vibrant future for our city. Given the size and complexity of Toronto's transit expansion portfolio, we're searching for a leader who will put in place a team that can effectively co-ordinate projects among City divisions and agencies, and work closely with other orders of government to best serve our residents," said City Manager Chris Murray.

Over the next decade, the City will be working closely with Metrolinx to implement the SmartTrack Stations Program and the GO Expansion Program, while continuing to advance other priority transit expansion projects including the Relief Line, the Bloor-Danforth subway extension into Scarborough, the Eglinton East LRT, the Eglinton West LRT, and the Waterfront Transit Network.

This news release is also available on the City's website: https://bit.ly/2qDaOId

Toronto is Canada's largest city, the fourth largest in North America, and home to a diverse population of more than 2.9 million people. It is a global centre for business, finance, arts and culture and is consistently ranked one of the world's most livable cities. For information on non-emergency City services and programs, Toronto residents, businesses and visitors can visit http://www.toronto.ca, call 311, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, or follow us on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/TorontoComms, on Instagram at http://www.instagram.com/cityofto or on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/cityofto.

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Great, exactly more of what we need here....more bureaucracy:rolleyes:. This city and province are a joke when it comes to transit implementation, how many agencies and offices do we need to get a simple project built.
 
^ Indeed, the benefit of hiring one more high-salaried administrator to facilitate transit expansion is dubious, given that shortage of funding is the main problem.

They could have hired 1 or 2 extra bus drivers instead, resulting in a greater overall benefit for the actual riders.
 
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