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Justin10000 said:
A Finch rider is not going to get off the Finch bus, transfer to a bus to travel south, transfer the the subway, and then have to travel back north to continue their trip along Finch. It's just nothing to happen. You guys are making a false assumption a rapid transit is attractive to riders. It's not, if it means a unnecessary transfers.
eg, even if the Sheppard Subway was extended past Don Mills, why would a Finch Rider going past Kennedy use the Sheppard Subway?
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Before accusing me of making a false assumption, try to do some sample calculations.

Consider these trips:

1) From somewhere on Finch East, say Warden, to downtown. You can take Finch bus to Yonge (33 min), transfer (5 min), take subway downtown (25 min); total is 63 min. Or you can take Warden bus to Sheppard (8 min), transfer (5 min), take subway to Yonge (15 min), transfer again (5 min), take subway downtown (22 min); total 55 min. It is a noticeable saving.

2) From the same Finch / Warden intersection to York U. You can take Finch bus to Yonge (33 min), transfer (5 min), take LRT to Keele (15 min), transfer again (5 min), take subway to York U (3 min); total is 61 min. Or you can take Warden bus to Sheppard (8 min), transfer (5 min), take subway to Downsview (22 min), transfer again (5 min), take subway to York U (6 min); total 46 min. Again, a substantial saving.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Are you referring to the transit expansion funding vote or the Sheppard subway vote?
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Yes. I was watching it on Rogers then needed to go out so I was not sure whether they had voted on Sheopard yet then saw the post on here that the vote will take place tomorrow, Hence my question why did the vote not take place today and why is Matlow tweeting on how the vote will go. Does not make sense.
 
Palma said:
Yes. I was watching it on Rogers then needed to go out so I was not sure whether they had voted on Sheopard yet then saw the post on here that the vote will take place tomorrow, Hence my question why did the vote not take place today and why is Matlow tweeting on how the vote will go. Does not make sense.
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It will happen tomorrow. Ford and his brats used delay tactics so the vote couldn't happen today. This is a whole new low for Ford.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/21/sheppard-subway-debate-to-be-continued
 
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Johnny Au said:
Ford filibustered the debate to today (he is even seen running away from council to the elevators). He still thinks that LRTs are streetcars, despite all the evidence on the contrary.
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I think Ford is planning to delay the debate till after the weekend. Council needs to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
 
Darwinkgo said:
Stations are the majority of the tunnel project cost - the tunnel could be left for a long time.
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It can't just be left or it will be back to dirt within 20 years. Tunnel. even one without any trains running through it would require frequent inspection and repair.
 
rbt said:
It can't just be left or it will be back to dirt within 20 years. Tunnel. even one without any trains running through it would require frequent inspection and repair.
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I believe that when people are refering to tunnel, they are assuming it is a pre-cast concrete lined tunnel. The TBM also does the lining as it goes along. If I am not mistaken, I think that the lined tunnel is built and afterwards (usually shortly afterwards, but not necessarily), the station is excavated by cut-and-cover and the small 150m segment of tunnel is "destroyed" in the process of building the station.

I thought the cost of this lined tunnel was in the $100M/km range.
 
BurlOak said:
I believe that when people are refering to tunnel, they are assuming it is a pre-cast concrete lined tunnel.
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Sure, just like Yonge line which has undergone a rebuild process during the last 7 years due to the tunnel beginning to cave-in (it was no longer the original shape) from soil movement around it.

A pre-case concrete lined tunnel does not last forever without maintenance.

An unused and mothballed line costs nearly the same to maintain as one with passengers (see TTC documents on cost savings from mothballing Sheppard when it was threatened).

You can assume that over 50 years you would spend an ~$1M/km/year in maintenance on a tunnel without stations or active trains to keep it in a state where you could build stations and use it in the future.
 
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From the Star.

The earth dug out for the Eglinton light rail transit line could be turned into islands in Lake Ontario.

At least that’s one proposal as the city considers ways to improve the water quality off some of Toronto’s Lake Ontario beaches.

The string of islands would go in at the mouth of the Humber River and extend about one kilometre from shore. The plan would take clean fill from construction jobs to build a solid earth barrier underwater that would deflect polluted Humber River water out into the lake and away from Sunnyside Beach.
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If this goes ahead, we must remember to charge residents of Clarington an admission fee if they want to visit our new offshore archipelago. It'll be all their doing. :)
 
With all the earth fill-in, Lake Ontario is getting smaller and smaller. It used to reach Front St in the 1700's
 
Lake Ontario is 18,960 square kilometres in area -- I doubt a bit of fill-in will significantly change its "size".
 
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