Palma
Senior Member
were you not joking
were you not joking
In PM rush hour, the congestion around Lawrence West is really bad. you can be stuck there for 10 minutes with a whole row of cars lined up from Dufferin to Allen. All because everyone is trying to merge in to the left lane to get on Allen. The right lane is usually filled with buses.But two of the congestion points you speak of are at the terminals themselves. Congestion would still exist at those points even if it wasn't a combined route. The 58 as is would only have like 10 stops. Milk-run routes (like what I'm proposing) capture so much more of where commuters want to go in and around their community. People in the Maple Leaf area may want a quick alternative over going to Lawrence West to get to Eglinton or the Crosstown Line, for instance.
Combing the 52G with the 58 via Weston is interesting, though commuters in Etobicoke may miss their direct connection to YUS. My proposal affects no one since the original 32C and 59 routings are kept in tact for the most part, main addition is the Pine Street extension which permits bidirectional travel.
Much commentary about whether LRT implied a middle of road alignment, versus something more elaborate. Staff response - nothing is preferred at this point, but cost and time to construct being considerations. Planner present emphasised that City did preserve a 45m corridor and staff maintain that LRT will fit in this width.
I wonder how 45 meters width compares to Finch, Eglinton East, and Kingston Road - is this really enough to do anything more than a streetcar style center of road.
The point was made that "LRT is not streetcar" but no one could provide assurance that CT West would deliver anything more than streetcar performance.
Councillor made an interesting point that while Eglinton is heavily trafficked, once you pass East Mall, it disperses in many directions. There is no logical or prevailing "destination" for a transit line. (This kinda argues for a busway - routes fanning out at Renforth). Councillor indicated his own view that this project was not top of the list for him.
Several speakers put BRT on the table. Staff responded that they would give this option greater profile and study. Next meeting in April will include reportback on BRT.
Several speakers put BRT on the table. Staff responded that they would give this option greater profile and study. Next meeting in April will include reportback on BRT.
But during rush hour every 12 min and off peak every 20 min though in the evening it is 30min. But it is the rush hour that benefits people - AM &PMIn PM rush hour, the congestion around Lawrence West is really bad. you can be stuck there for 10 minutes with a whole row of cars lined up from Dufferin to Allen. All because everyone is trying to merge in to the left lane to get on Allen. The right lane is usually filled with buses.
The 59 Maple Leaf bus hardly even runs in off peak. Evenings and weekends are at 30 min headway. The current 32C runs much more frequent. Even the current 171 gets a lot of riders taking it for 5 stops.
Hardly anyone in central Etobicoke take transit in the east-west direction. It's much faster to go down to line 2 than across to line 1. In North York/former Borough of York, going east-west is faster. It takes the same amount of time to get from Keele/Lawrence to Lawrence West and Keelesdale. The 52 is much more frequent. Guess where everyone is going to go?
thats the thing. Those people love their cars and that was their concern that the LRT would interfere with it. One resident even said that the LRT should accommodate buses using the same tracks which made no sense. With an LRT there would be no buses unless there will be limited stops along Crosstown west. Thats why the LRT only needs to stop at major intersections and after Martingrove straight to Pearson. Obviously they have to know that now that heavy rail is off the table and Tory wants a route to Pearson (less expensive than UP presently), BRT does not to make sense. There is so much misconception of LRT. There was also concern about "overheard wires", etc and how it would not be ecstatically pleasing.Based on what I'm reading on Twitter, these people thing BRT will widen the roads and give more space to cars.
But these politicians are also trying to represent the residents and if the residents feel LRT is not a good option he will say that (even though personally he may think they are). They do not want to be known as the politician who championed for a particular mode of transit against residents wishes come election time. They want to go on the record as fighting for what residents want.A side of road alignment shouldn't take up any more room than centre of road.
The surface section, west of Mt. Dennis, with the stop spacing and alignment proposed in Transit City is expected to operate with an average speed of 28 to 31 km/h. This is faster than the Yonge-University and Bloor-Danforth lines, and 2.5 times faster than the 32 Eglinton West. This is all available in the Crosstown EA. It's too bad the planners didn't know this; it would've helped to dispel their worries.
Which Councillor was this? Mr. Campbell?
Based on what I'm reading on Twitter, these people thing BRT will widen the roads and give more space to cars.
A side of road alignment shouldn't take up any more room than centre of road.
The surface section, west of Mt. Dennis, with the stop spacing and alignment proposed in Transit City is expected to operate with an average speed of 28 to 31 km/h. This is faster than the Yonge-University and Bloor-Danforth lines, and 2.5 times faster than the 32 Eglinton West. This is all available in the Crosstown EA. It's too bad the planners didn't know this; it would've helped to dispel their worries.
Which Councillor was this? Mr. Campbell?
There is so much misconception of LRT.
Well, the only way you're going to change that is to build a section that works and use it as an example. Somebody cited Queensway as an example, and it isn't close to LRT ideals.