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[Hopkins123]

Well Keele looks relatively small with only the Keele bus and Tretheway. Considering the jog at keele at least it should not make it worse

The 58 Trethewey should be merged with 59 Maple Leaf for a through run from Keelesdale Stn to Lawrence West Stn. The 161 Rogers could also go to Keelesdale seeing as the Humber Blvd/Alliance segment of the route would now be served by 171 Mt Dennis (circa 2020) and 168 Symington would already operate on Rogers between Keele and Weston Rd.

 

[Palma]

Warden is still very busy. It's not a mistake to build it that many bus platforms. For Islington, Miway occupied the excess platforms. Wilson is the station with the extra terminal. Now they just use it as storage. I don't think it's consider wasted.

Mt Dennis would need that many bus bays anyways. As demand grows, many bus terminals like Kipling, Kennedy, Finch, STC, Lawrence West, Eglinton West and York Mills have became very crowded in rush hour. Even if the LRT was extended, only the 27, 32, 35, 170 and 195 bus bays will be freed. That assumes that a new bus terminal is built at Jane.

Even for the Spadina line extension, many buses will continue to operate to Downsview (Sheppard West) instead of the new Downsview Park.

Are you saying if there is a Jane stop on Crosstown west extension, there would be no terminal for the Jane bus and that it would need to come to Mt Dennis? That would be strange. Wouldn't there at least be a stop for the Jane bus and then it would continue north along Jane

 

[Palma]

The 58 Trethewey should be merged with 59 Maple Leaf for a through run from Keelesdale Stn to Lawrence West Stn. The 161 Rogers could also go to Keelesdale seeing as the Humber Blvd/Alliance segment of the route would now be served by 171 Mt Dennis (circa 2020) and 168 Symington would already operate on Rogers between Keele and Weston Rd.

I was thinking about the 59 Maple Leaf but the bus operates between Lawrence West Station to the Weston Rd and Oak area (goes through Benton an industrial area) before crossing keele St. Perhaps it might work somehow. it would have to go south to keelsdale and then turn around and continue the journey north. But passengers that get on at lawrence won't be happy that the bus goes south before it returns north again to continue its journey. Although passengers at keelsdale will be happy as they can avoid a transfer at Lawrence if they had to get on the Keele bus and live in the Weston area. Well, there are winners and losers in everything

 

[Johnny Au]

It would be interesting to see a Roselawn/Castlefield bus running from Eglinton station, then north on Duplex to Roselawn, then straight through Elm Ridge, Roselawn (west), and Castlefield (west of Dufferin), then continue westwards along Beechborough, then south to Keele to Keelesdale. Access to Cedarvale station would be done through a transfer with 109 Ranee at Marlee.

 

[Palma]

It would be interesting to see a Roselawn/Castlefield bus running from Eglinton station, then north on Duplex to Roselawn, then straight through Elm Ridge, Roselawn (west), and Castlefield (west of Dufferin), then continue westwards along Beechborough, then south to Keele to Keelesdale. Access to Cedarvale station would be done through a transfer with 109 Ranee at Marlee.

lol. yup. endless possibilities and winners and losers

 

[WislaHD]

As someone who lives in the general idea, bus service on Duplex will not fly well with the locals.

 

[Hopkins123]

I was thinking about the 59 Maple Leaf but the bus operates between Lawrence West Station to the Weston Rd and Oak area (goes through Benton an industrial area) before crossing keele St. Perhaps it might work somehow. it would have to go south to keelsdale and then turn around and continue the journey north. But passengers that get on at lawrence won't be happy that the bus goes south before it returns north again to continue its journey. Although passengers at keelsdale will be happy as they can avoid a transfer at Lawrence if they had to get on the Keele bus and live in the Weston area. Well, there are winners and losers in everything

Well actually, I envisioned it as more something like this:



This way instead of the huge meandering loop of Church, Weston and Oak; it would operate in a bi-directional manner via Pine Street. Short turns of either trips originating at Keelesdale or at Lawrence West could resume the original Church, Weston Oak loop though.

 

[Palma]

Meeting scheduled at York Civic Centre:
To discuss:
Integration of SmartTrack and RER
Electrification of GO
DRL and preferred route and next steps to select preferred alignment and stations
Scarborough subway
Integrated transit fares

Monday February 29, 2016
York Civic Centre
2700 Eglinton Ave West (west of Keele St)
Starts at 7:00pm

MPP and councillors for Ward 11 and 12 to be present

 

[Hopkins123]

Are you saying if there is a Jane stop on Crosstown west extension, there would be no terminal for the Jane bus and that it would need to come to Mt Dennis? That would be strange. Wouldn't there at least be a stop for the Jane bus and then it would continue north along Jane

Jane-Eglinton is perfectly set up for a bus terminal, if even for just Jane and Jane express buses (and the Emmett bus of course). Being in the flood plain in a valley floor, the Jane stop most likely will be on a elevated guideway, meaning the land use underneath the station at street level is well-suited for bus bays within a fare-paid area.

 

[Palma]

Well actually, I envisioned it as more something like this:



This way instead of the huge meandering loop of Church, Weston and Oak; it would operate in a bi-directional manner via Pine Street. Short turns of either trips originating at Keelesdale or at Lawrence West could resume the original Church, Weston Oak loop though.

So is that Tretheway that the bus would come down to keelesdale? How i hate this name

 

[Steve X]

Are you saying if there is a Jane stop on Crosstown west extension, there would be no terminal for the Jane bus and that it would need to come to Mt Dennis? That would be strange. Wouldn't there at least be a stop for the Jane bus and then it would continue north along Jane

It's all up in the air right now. The transit city plan is to have a LRT on Jane so a bus terminal wasn't necessary. The current stops will stay and people can transfer to the LRT. The bus terminal won't get that many years of use.

Well actually, I envisioned it as more something like this:



This way instead of the huge meandering loop of Church, Weston and Oak; it would operate in a bi-directional manner via Pine Street. Short turns of either trips originating at Keelesdale or at Lawrence West could resume the original Church, Weston Oak loop though.

This route isn't reliable. There are way too many places with congestion. Lawrence/Allen, Weston/Grey and Eglinton/Keele are all major points of congestion. The 58 is way better the way it is. What's wrong with short routes? They perform much better than a tangled mess. Plus what do you put on the designation sign? 58 Maple Leaf-Trethewey to Lawrence West Stn via Oak, Weston, Grey, Culford and Benton?

They could merge the 52G on The Westway with this new 58. Then all 52's will stay on Dixon which would be less confusing. Although having 58 on The Westway and 52 on Dixon is really messed up since it was the other way around not too long ago.

 

[Hopkins123]

So is that Tretheway that the bus would come down to keelesdale? How i hate this name

Yes, that's THREE-TO-WEE Drive from Keelesdale to Jane/Denison.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I'm pretty sure it's TRE-THE-WAY, and it's one of my favourite street names in the city

 

[Hopkins123]

This route isn't reliable. There are way too many places with congestion. Lawrence/Allen, Weston/Grey and Eglinton/Keele are all major points of congestion. The 58 is way better the way it is. What's wrong with short routes? They perform much better than a tangled mess. Plus what do you put on the designation sign? 58 Maple Leaf-Trethewey to Lawrence West Stn via Oak, Weston, Grey, Culford and Benton?

They could merge the 52G on The Westway with this new 58. Then all 52's will stay on Dixon which would be less confusing. Although having 58 on The Westway and 52 on Dixon is really messed up since it was the other way around not too long ago.

But two of the congestion points you speak of are at the terminals themselves. Congestion would still exist at those points even if it wasn't a combined route. The 58 as is would only have like 10 stops. Milk-run routes (like what I'm proposing) capture so much more of where commuters want to go in and around their community. People in the Maple Leaf area may want a quick alternative over going to Lawrence West to get to Eglinton or the Crosstown Line, for instance.

Combing the 52G with the 58 via Weston is interesting, though commuters in Etobicoke may miss their direct connection to YUS. My proposal affects no one since the original 32C and 59 routings are kept in tact for the most part, main addition is the Pine Street extension which permits bidirectional travel.

 

[Johnny Au]

Here is my Roselawn/Castlefield Bus route proposal: