maestro
Senior Member
8 storeys fits the context of William Carson. A few more storeys isn't going to make an overcrowded subway any less efficient either.
Toronto 4155 Yonge | 42.44m | 11s | GreenCity | Richard Wengle
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christiesplits
Senior Member
I hope the NIMBYs lose. This is a very reasonable development next to a subway stop.
PMT
Senior Member
Preliminary Report: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2018/ny/bgrd/backgroundfile-110007.pdf
PMT
Senior Member
sunnyraytoronto
Senior Member
Post City - North York / North Toronto article "Plan to build 14 storeys near Hogg’s Hollow met with criticism from North York residents" can be found here with Councillor comments:
http://www.postcity.com/Eat-Shop-Do...build-14-storeys-near-Hoggs-Hollow-draws-ire/
This site is currently zoned for 5-storey office matching the site to north and south,.... rezoning to high density multi-residential tower here will set undesirable precedent that'll allow the other commercial office developments along Yonge Street here to go high-density multi-residential development as well,.... thus, destabilizing the existing stable office employment area - something the City actually needs near Subway station.
http://www.postcity.com/Eat-Shop-Do...build-14-storeys-near-Hoggs-Hollow-draws-ire/
This site is currently zoned for 5-storey office matching the site to north and south,.... rezoning to high density multi-residential tower here will set undesirable precedent that'll allow the other commercial office developments along Yonge Street here to go high-density multi-residential development as well,.... thus, destabilizing the existing stable office employment area - something the City actually needs near Subway station.
PMT
Senior Member
narduch
Senior Member
So is this thing approved?
ProjectEnd
Superstar
Garbage.
From the above link: "Designed by award-winning architect Richard Wengle". Perhaps we can relieve Quadrangle from the slings and arrows of being in the thread title for this dreck?
From the above link: "Designed by award-winning architect Richard Wengle". Perhaps we can relieve Quadrangle from the slings and arrows of being in the thread title for this dreck?
narduch
Senior Member
Thanks. I had seen that in my google search but wasn't sure if that was from the previous project that the OMB didn't allow.
This location is currently a paid parking lot (that is always full).
narduch
Senior Member
So just this week they have shut down the paid Parking lot at this site.
They removed the signs for parking and removed the pay terminals.
Now a truck with a trailer is parked in front so that no on can enter the lot.
They removed the signs for parking and removed the pay terminals.
Now a truck with a trailer is parked in front so that no on can enter the lot.
bilked
Senior Member
Domenico
Active Member
Just received a notice from developer's lawyers (as I assume most of the nearby residents have) that The Ontario Land Tribunal will conduct a Concurrent Case Management Conference by Video Conference on October 26, 2021. Original proposal by developer called for 14-storey residential with 64 dwellings. Now they are proposing 11-storey and 30 units.
I know that this property is only a very long block north of the Yonge-York Mills subway station but there are a lot of issues with building in this area and specifically on this site. As can be seen from the photo above by @bilked, the site is at the bottom of a fairly steep hill and is also sloping southwards. The site is quite small and the back of the building would be no more than three meters from the bottom, if you could call it that - since the land is still sloping south and west toward the intersection of Yonge and William Carson, of the hill. Every time there is a major rainfall or snow melt, there is large puddle across half of William Carson Rd, so that the only way to drive east on William Carson when entering that intersection, is to drive through the left turn lane exiting west on William Carson. This is dangerous for vehicles going both ways, but those entering have no other alternative other than risk stalling their engine going through a puddle two feet or higher in depth. The large puddle results from the earth that is eroded when the rain or ice melt flows quickly down the hill and clogs up the sewer grate. This area is environmentally sensitive and one of the main reasons why buildings in the vicinity do not exceed 6-storeys. The office building across the street from this lot , which backs on to William Carson and not the base of the hill, I would estimate covers no more than 60% of the lot it sits on.
The back end of this lot is where street parking starts on the same east side of William Carson (there is no parking on west side). Unfortunately there is barely enough room for another vehicle going east to pass by these parked cars (which are packed in all paid spaces during the workday) so that often these cars are driven half on the other lane for cars driving west leaving William Carson, not to mention that the sidewalk on the east side ends from the driveway of the last condo building on the east side so people still often keep walking on the east side beside the parked vehicles or on the street when they reach the back of the 4155 lot. In addition anyone who knows this area knows how often vehicles travelling south on Yonge wanting to make a left onto the 401 east ramp, rather than get in line on the left turn lane which often backs up almost from the light at Florence Ave during rush hours (or they just mistakenly miss the ramp at anytime) and wait 3 or 4 light changes, go south to William Carson and make a left turn, going east, and then make a U Turn, because there is a no U Turn sign at the intersection, and turn right on Yonge to go back north to the 401 East entrance. William Carson is about 300 meters long and it has 4 large condo buildings, a firehall and a large office building (on corner with Yonge St). It is a very busy and frankly dangerous street and adding a large condo building makes no sense. This may be the developer's motivation for proposing only 30 units now. Nevertheless anyone who lives in a condo building knows the amount of traffic, besides tenants and visitors, including maintenance, inspection and deliveries is constant. This building is in the most vulnerable and dangerous part of the street. The maximum height I could see here is 8-storeys, with a smaller footprint, and that is stretching it. That may not provide the developer with enough sq ft to make a profit but it is not the function of the city or the neighbors to provide him/her with a profit.
By the way, the authority that is in charge of this environmentally sensitive area objects to this proposal as do the residents and St John's York Mills Church that sit at the top of the hill, who at 14-storeys, as initially proposed, would definitely be looking at the top of the the building instead of treetops.
I know that this property is only a very long block north of the Yonge-York Mills subway station but there are a lot of issues with building in this area and specifically on this site. As can be seen from the photo above by @bilked, the site is at the bottom of a fairly steep hill and is also sloping southwards. The site is quite small and the back of the building would be no more than three meters from the bottom, if you could call it that - since the land is still sloping south and west toward the intersection of Yonge and William Carson, of the hill. Every time there is a major rainfall or snow melt, there is large puddle across half of William Carson Rd, so that the only way to drive east on William Carson when entering that intersection, is to drive through the left turn lane exiting west on William Carson. This is dangerous for vehicles going both ways, but those entering have no other alternative other than risk stalling their engine going through a puddle two feet or higher in depth. The large puddle results from the earth that is eroded when the rain or ice melt flows quickly down the hill and clogs up the sewer grate. This area is environmentally sensitive and one of the main reasons why buildings in the vicinity do not exceed 6-storeys. The office building across the street from this lot , which backs on to William Carson and not the base of the hill, I would estimate covers no more than 60% of the lot it sits on.
The back end of this lot is where street parking starts on the same east side of William Carson (there is no parking on west side). Unfortunately there is barely enough room for another vehicle going east to pass by these parked cars (which are packed in all paid spaces during the workday) so that often these cars are driven half on the other lane for cars driving west leaving William Carson, not to mention that the sidewalk on the east side ends from the driveway of the last condo building on the east side so people still often keep walking on the east side beside the parked vehicles or on the street when they reach the back of the 4155 lot. In addition anyone who knows this area knows how often vehicles travelling south on Yonge wanting to make a left onto the 401 east ramp, rather than get in line on the left turn lane which often backs up almost from the light at Florence Ave during rush hours (or they just mistakenly miss the ramp at anytime) and wait 3 or 4 light changes, go south to William Carson and make a left turn, going east, and then make a U Turn, because there is a no U Turn sign at the intersection, and turn right on Yonge to go back north to the 401 East entrance. William Carson is about 300 meters long and it has 4 large condo buildings, a firehall and a large office building (on corner with Yonge St). It is a very busy and frankly dangerous street and adding a large condo building makes no sense. This may be the developer's motivation for proposing only 30 units now. Nevertheless anyone who lives in a condo building knows the amount of traffic, besides tenants and visitors, including maintenance, inspection and deliveries is constant. This building is in the most vulnerable and dangerous part of the street. The maximum height I could see here is 8-storeys, with a smaller footprint, and that is stretching it. That may not provide the developer with enough sq ft to make a profit but it is not the function of the city or the neighbors to provide him/her with a profit.
By the way, the authority that is in charge of this environmentally sensitive area objects to this proposal as do the residents and St John's York Mills Church that sit at the top of the hill, who at 14-storeys, as initially proposed, would definitely be looking at the top of the the building instead of treetops.
Domenico
Active Member
Here's an update after the last conference on this proposal:
Development on 4155 Yonge Street - Update
To all Residents of The Antiquary,
The Ontario Land Tribunal (OLT) held a Case Management Conference (CMC) by video conference on October 26, 2021. The CMC was requested by the developer of the property on the southeast corner of Yonge Street and William Carson Crescent. The interests of the Antiquary, among others, have been represented from the beginning by the York Ridge Homeowners Association (YRHA) in opposing the proposed development.
The Secretary of the YRHA has provided us with a summary of the proceedings at which the YRHA made a presentation.
At the meeting, the YRHA achieved its main objective to be granted “Party Status” which allows it to present facts and arguments in the matter in opposition to the developer’s position in future hearings and CMCs of the OLT.
In addition, the YRHA achieved its objective of having removed from the agenda of this CMC a “Settlement Proposal”, including a negotiation process, offered only days prior to the CMC, by the developer. Consideration of this offer at this time was considered far too premature
It was agreed that all participants wanted to see, first, the City’s public planning report, which would include comments from the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority (TRCA) and the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC). The YRHA would then, hopefully, have two months to arrange for its legal counsel, planner, and environmentalist to advise on the resulting issues and to determine what additional expert witnesses might be necessary. The witness list must be accurately presented to the CMC and the OLT Hearing to avoid negative consequences in these proceedings.
The next CMC has been scheduled for Wednesday, May 4, 2022, at 10 am, about three months later than the date requested by the developer.
A 5-day OLT Hearing is scheduled to start on Monday, September 19, 2022, about a month later than the date requested by the developer.
It appears that these proceedings on the developer’s application will extend over some period of time before the decision of the City can be expected. Information on progress in this matter will be provided as it becomes available.
Development on 4155 Yonge Street - Update
To all Residents of The Antiquary,
The Ontario Land Tribunal (OLT) held a Case Management Conference (CMC) by video conference on October 26, 2021. The CMC was requested by the developer of the property on the southeast corner of Yonge Street and William Carson Crescent. The interests of the Antiquary, among others, have been represented from the beginning by the York Ridge Homeowners Association (YRHA) in opposing the proposed development.
The Secretary of the YRHA has provided us with a summary of the proceedings at which the YRHA made a presentation.
At the meeting, the YRHA achieved its main objective to be granted “Party Status” which allows it to present facts and arguments in the matter in opposition to the developer’s position in future hearings and CMCs of the OLT.
In addition, the YRHA achieved its objective of having removed from the agenda of this CMC a “Settlement Proposal”, including a negotiation process, offered only days prior to the CMC, by the developer. Consideration of this offer at this time was considered far too premature
It was agreed that all participants wanted to see, first, the City’s public planning report, which would include comments from the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority (TRCA) and the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC). The YRHA would then, hopefully, have two months to arrange for its legal counsel, planner, and environmentalist to advise on the resulting issues and to determine what additional expert witnesses might be necessary. The witness list must be accurately presented to the CMC and the OLT Hearing to avoid negative consequences in these proceedings.
The next CMC has been scheduled for Wednesday, May 4, 2022, at 10 am, about three months later than the date requested by the developer.
A 5-day OLT Hearing is scheduled to start on Monday, September 19, 2022, about a month later than the date requested by the developer.
It appears that these proceedings on the developer’s application will extend over some period of time before the decision of the City can be expected. Information on progress in this matter will be provided as it becomes available.
artyboy123
Senior Member
New renderings are updated in the database! The building storey count decreased from 14 to 11 storey. The overall building height dropped from 48.77m to 42.44m. The total unit count also decreased from 64 units to 30 units. Finally, the parking count also is reduced from 82 parking spaces to 48 parking spaces.
The new renderings are taken from the architectural plan via rezoning submission:
The new renderings are taken from the architectural plan via rezoning submission: