AndreaPalladio
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Absolutely. That's where the people and the restaurants are. Great eating in Atlanta.The more interesting bit is Midtown Atlanta anyways.
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Absolutely. That's where the people and the restaurants are. Great eating in Atlanta.The more interesting bit is Midtown Atlanta anyways.
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I think your analysis of the motivations of anti-Olympic posters is overly simplistic and largely inaccurate.
Thank you, MetroMan, for the thoughtful post with visuals. My point about the Gardner is that, in the long run, the elevated highway has to go. The hybrid mock-ups that are being bandied about leave a long section of elevated expressway along the Keating Channel, which pretty much scuttles the vision of a beautiful tree-lined canal, whether or not it's used as a swimming or rowing venue in a hypothetical Olympics.
Was it? I used to row there, and it's neither long enough (less then 2000 m) nor wide enough to run a regatta there. It's not straight either.Thr rowing venue was sited in the Shipping Channel to the south in the 2008 bid - Keating is not long nor wide enough for anything other than what it is. The 2008 plan also foresee the Gardiner staying in any case.
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Was it? I used to row there, and it's neither long enough (less then 2000 m) nor wide enough to run a regatta there. It's not straight either.
Thx for that. Wow, that's terrible. If feels like a huge version of '70s Calgary.
Said it before, and will say it again: If there is a bid and if the complex is located at the Portlands, I will fully expect it to adhere to the overall plan set forth by WT. The 2008 bid plan for the area won't cut it anymore, especially if one is going by the argument that the games facilitates waterfront redevelopment. Now could they have worked it in? Quite possibly, but they need to demonstrate how that is to be done.
I think most people would agree that if Toronto's waterfront was planned carefully from the beginning, it would've looked more like Millenium Park along the water and Queen's Quay would've looked more like Michigan Ave. Instead we got a wall of condos. Yes, Canada Square, Sherbourne Common and the like aren't bad, and there will be vitality with the mix of uses in Bayside, but I'll take any Hadid, Calatrava or Gehry starchitecture we can get. Do you find it worth the trip to leave the core and head to QQ? What Boston's Big Dig accomplished was to create a seamless transition to the inner harbor and Boston's North End. It opened up land for development and parkland. Hopefully most of the Olympic venues would stay. If it's an iconic stadium with multiple uses, it should stay too. If not, it would be transformed eventually.
The point is that it's a Herculean task to transform the Portlands, beyond the scope of WT with current funding. A project on the scale of the Olympics allows for multiple needs to be addressed at once: soil remediation, transforming the Gardner, providing accessible, elite athletic facilities, shoring up transit, creating a design presence beyond a few curved roofs or skybridges, and then there's the matter of bike lanes and downtown parks. Toronto has no Central Park or Mt. Royal Park -- please don't cite High Park, which might as well be in Mississauga.
You do realize that burying the Gardiner wouldn't be finished in time for 2024? Neither would the DRL.Lord love a duck. If you know the layout of Boston and Chicago, you know that TO's orientation to the water is similar to Chicago's, and they did their waterfront right. There are even beaches right downtown with water you can swim in, like in Barcelona. If we didn’t have the wall of condos or the Gardner, Chicago would be a great model to follow. My point about Boston's burial of its expressway was that it reconnected key parts of the downtown. We won't get our Gardner buried as a stand alone project, but we might as part of a larger project. That was the 2008 Olympic bid plan. As for revenue streams, see my previous post about building over the train tracks and an underground toll route. Also, bring on the soulless starchitecture. Gotta love Gehry's 'jellybean' in Millennium Park.