Time Zones and Daylight Savings

[BurlOak]

Call it "Standard Time", but use "Daylight Time" as the standard. More daylight in the evening.

There is a certain number of hours of daylight per day. To get more daylight in the evening - you can either move the clocks, or adjust your starting time in the day.

Take August 1 - about halfway between the longest and average day of the year.

Sunrise = 06:06. Sunset = 20:40 on Savings Time.
Sunrise = 05:06. Sunset = 19:40 on Standard Time.

As long as people wake up an hour earlier (according to the clock - not the amount of daylight), they get the same amount of afternoon (meaning after work) daylight.
How to get people to wake up earlier.
In the savings time period (April to October), all government offices, schools, etc. start work an hour earlier. All CRTC regulations related to TV shows move an hour earlier. All bar hours move an hour earlier. Basically, everyone would adjust to the new time to wake up. Although they are waking up earlier according to the clock, they are waking up at the same time according to the sun.
Then every place in the world has Standard Time - and it's always the same change in time regardless of the time of year.

 

[BurlOak]

From April, updated in June. From this link.

Daylight Savings Time Might Get Scrapped In Ontario
Ontario might be put on daylight savings time permanently.


Effectively, the new Eastern Standard Time would be today's Eastern Daylight Time. It would be called "Eastern Standard Time", even though the solar time would be one hour behind.

I was going to say that there is no way that a provincial jurisdiction could do this - it would be idiotic. It must be done at the federal level.
And also, the number of hours in the day, and the amount of daylight in the day, does not change. Just wake up a bit earlier in the day (according to the clock, not according to the sun) and there is no difference. All areas must stay Standard time, because everything is defined by the sun being directly overhead (at least for the centre of the time zone) at noon. Using anything other than Standard time would be idiotic.

Out of BC: B.C. government to introduce legislation Thursday to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

 

[JasonParis]

Call it "Standard Time", but use "Daylight Time" as the standard. More daylight in the evening.

Wouldn't that make two abutting time zones (likely somewhere in the Atlantic) the same time? I guess that doesn't *REALLY* matter, but just a thought.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Wouldn't that make two abutting time zones (likely somewhere in the Atlantic) the same time? I guess that doesn't *REALLY* matter, but just a thought.

If you drive SOUTH DOWN from the Gaspé Peninsula, Quebec into New Brunswick, you drive from the Eastern Time Zone into the Atlantic Time Zone, moving one hour ahead. All of China is ONE time zone.

From link.

 

[BurlOak]

If you drive SOUTH DOWN from the Gaspé Peninsula, Quebec into New Brunswick, you drive from the Eastern Time Zone into the Atlantic Time Zone, moving one hour ahead. All of China is ONE time zone.

From link.

If it doesn't matter that the sun is directly above at noon (or very close to it), then why doesn't the whole world just switch to GMT.

 

[W. K. Lis]

If it doesn't matter that the sun is directly above at noon (or very close to it), then why doesn't the whole world just switch to GMT.

What time would it be on the moon?

What time would it be on the International Space Station? The answer is that it is GMT +0 (Greenwich Mean Time) or UTC +0 (Universal Time). No daylight saving time on the space station. See link.

 

[lenaitch]

I was going to say that there is no way that a provincial jurisdiction could do this - it would be idiotic. It must be done at the federal level.
And also, the number of hours in the day, and the amount of daylight in the day, does not change. Just wake up a bit earlier in the day (according to the clock, not according to the sun) and there is no difference. All areas must stay Standard time, because everything is defined by the sun being directly overhead (at least for the centre of the time zone) at noon. Using anything other than Standard time would be idiotic.

Out of BC: B.C. government to introduce legislation Thursday to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

There is enough conflict regarding federal vs. provincial jurisdiction - let's save it for the really important issues. This isn't one of them. Perhaps we need the feared 'world government' to make this happen worldwide.
It seems to me some posts want to replace changing the time with leaving the time but changing the people/institutions.

 

[W. K. Lis]

From B.C.:

View the final report on the daylight saving time public consultation: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/app/uploads/sites/502/2019/09/Daylight-Saving-Time-Final-Report.pdf

Read the written submissions and learn about the engagement: https://engage.gov.bc.ca/daylightsavingtime/

 

[JasonParis]

Staying on standard time may be better for sleep though. California is considering it, even though it appears BC is moving more towards permanent PDT.

Sleep expert says B.C. should stay on Standard Time rather than switch to Daylight Saving | Globalnews.ca

Myriam Juda says it's much better for our health to stay on Standard Time, rather than staying an hour ahead as the province is debating.

globalnews.ca

 

[W. K. Lis]

Staying on standard time may be better for sleep though. California is considering it, even though it appears BC is moving more towards permanent PDT.

Sleep expert says B.C. should stay on Standard Time rather than switch to Daylight Saving | Globalnews.ca

Myriam Juda says it's much better for our health to stay on Standard Time, rather than staying an hour ahead as the province is debating.

globalnews.ca

The further south, closer to the equator, the less the differences between sunrise & sunset during the winter solstice and the summer solstice.

 

[JasonParis]

Although, all of BC is north of Southern Ontario. I think Toronto is technically closer to the equator than the North Pole. Parry Sound is at the 45th.

 

[W. K. Lis]

B.C. tables time change law, but clocks still go back one hour Sunday

From link.

British Columbia has introduced legislation that would eliminate the need to change the clocks twice a year with the creation of Pacific time.

Attorney General David Eby says the Interpretation Amendment Act, if passed, would make daylight saving time permanent.

He says the impetus for the change comes from a recent provincial government survey where more than 93 per cent of respondents, or almost 225,000 people, indicated their support for a permanent move to daylight time.

But Eby says more consulting about the change is needed with its U.S. trading partners in the Pacific states of Washington, Oregon and California.

The legislation does not change the schedule for the next time change this Sunday, when clocks fall back one hour to standard time.

Researchers at Simon Fraser University and others are lobbying the government to consider making standard time permanent in B.C., saying it promotes healthy sleep and provides more morning daylight.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Oct. 31, 2019.

 

[BurlOak]

Although, all of BC is north of Southern Ontario. I think Toronto is technically closer to the equator than the North Pole. Parry Sound is at the 45th.

Actually Bracebridge - maybe technically a hair south of it. If you have kiddies, Santa's Village Bracebridge is so name because it's half-way to the North Pole - a perfect spot for Santa to have a summer vacation.

 

[JasonParis]

That actually makes me appreciate Santa's Village... a little bit.

 

[Admiral Beez]

If it doesn't matter that the sun is directly above at noon (or very close to it), then why doesn't the whole world just switch to GMT.

It did, at least on his/her Majesty's ships, where on every RN ship the chronometer was set (and religiously wound and guarded) to GMT and the noon sighting taken as degrees from GMT. This is not to be confused as being considered "local time", on the RN's ships there was no such thing. The noon sighting against GMT was purely for calculating latitude, not for knowing what time the local natives opened their markets, or whatnot.

Very similar to the ISS. In the early RN, there was only GMT, no matter where you were.

What time would it be on the International Space Station? The answer is that it is GMT +0 (Greenwich Mean Time) or UTC +0 (Universal Time). No daylight saving time on the space station.