They said it here. Isn't that enough? We do have active members that represent both the city and TLS along with various other media outlets in the city.
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The Tenor (10 Dundas St E, Ent Prop Trust, 10s, Baldwin & Franklin)
They said it here. Isn't that enough? We do have active members that represent both the city and TLS along with various other media outlets in the city.
grey
Senior Member
Hey, tables and chairs! Maybe I was wrong about Dundas Square too? Clearly, it is everything it could and should be!
The circumstances behind Old City Hall were very different. Tearing down a beloved heritage landmark and building something on a scuzzy, neglected corner are two entirely different things.
By the way, this is a forum, not a "blog."
The circumstances behind Old City Hall were very different. Tearing down a beloved heritage landmark and building something on a scuzzy, neglected corner are two entirely different things.
By the way, this is a forum, not a "blog."
caltrane74
Senior Member
If that is the case. Then maybe all the "gripping" here will have some positive impacts on the building long term. Improved/Innovative/Redesigned ad space will only improve the returns for the developer on this building.
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notyouagain
Guest
Don't hold your breath. The building is nearly fully leased and flahier ads will not generate more revenue. What you see is what you get.
syn
Senior Member
I would say it's that bad. Just because someone doesn't chain themselves to one of the pillars doesn't mean it's a good development.
I can appreciate your positivity Cal, but this one is a mess. That's not to say it's all bad; hopefully the cladding can be upgraded in the future and they really go all out with the cheese. The interior is a huge disappointment though.
caltrane74
Senior Member
Premium advertising will always cost more money than generic advertising. - I think we may have a "wait and see" situation here.
dt_toronto_geek
Superstar
I can see long term advertisers upgrade their space beyond a backlit, for maximum impact.
JasonParis
Moderator
I believe Hume has always been pro-Dundas Square (itself) and is a big fan of Brown & Story too. What he is saying here is that there were many criticisms at the time (although, not his) and that perhaps those opinions need to be reconsidered.
Hume's opinion -- on this matter at least -- has been relatively consistent.
casaguy
Senior Member
I'm actually starting to like the square itself with all of its loud and bright brashness.
The TLS building is a whole other thing. I think I'd have to loose my eyesight before shifting my opinion on that.
The TLS building is a whole other thing. I think I'd have to loose my eyesight before shifting my opinion on that.
Urban Shocker
Doyenne
Hosers "got" the Square as soon as it opened - it was only a few critics who turned their noses up at it on behalf of the Beautiful People. Once the City modified their business plan, and backed off renting the Square out for so many exclusively corporate uses, the Hosers took to it in even larger numbers.
urbandreamer
recession proof
Jack Astors is busy, no doubt about it. But did you know? Nirvana on College is cheaper, better, and more urban!
TLS is ultimately just a hilarious place to waste time. I had fun there, and totally forgot about this long thread on UT while enjoying my date. Bonus: the AMC theatre was deserted!.....
TLS is ultimately just a hilarious place to waste time. I had fun there, and totally forgot about this long thread on UT while enjoying my date. Bonus: the AMC theatre was deserted!.....
casaguy
Senior Member
I couldn't help but be reminded of this brilliant interpretation of what the square represents to many...
adma
Superstar
How many people, *period*, never mind here, are so engaged to matters of urban aesthetics as to actively grouse about TLS? You might as well say virtually *anything* is "not as bad as it has been made out to be", by that logic.
How many people groused over MSG in NYC? After all, it replaced Penn Station...
caltrane74
Senior Member
Exactly, not enough people are "so engaged" in the urban aesthetics to care about how TLS looks. - For the most part "average" people will probably find that it's an interesting building with pretty lights.
Maybe take a picture of it or something....
Tewder
Senior Member
People may not have an intellectual engagement with urban aesthetics, per se, but they may have a visceral one, which may lead to an overall lukewarm impression of downtown (Yonge/Dundas). It doesn't just end with shoddy uninspired architecture at TLS, it's also about the decrepit urban realm and the suburbanization/homogenisation of the area in general. Urbanistas may intellectualize these things as 'messy urbanism' and gentrification/commercialisation , but the average Joe just walks away thinking 'meh' and if the overglorified cinema/food court that is TLS sits empty most the time, well who's really to wonder? And it's not about being offended by bright lights or garish consumerism, heck go big or go home as far as I'm concerned, but it's the fact that TLS pulls its punch, and Yonge/Dundas becomes a prominent 'there' without substance of 'there' there, so to speak. Not that the blame is solely the fault of TLS, Torch dropped the ball too, and the 'landmarks' that replaced authentic urban grit here, and that were supposed to anchor a more 'world class' modern and minimalist version of a Times Square-like public space are duds, leaving the inescapable feeling that Dundas Square itself has come out far less than what the intent was.