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Star: Office Towers Win Tax Cuts

I addressed that earlier. Toronto residential taxes are on a per household average, much less. Regardless of higher assessments or differing rates.

Ah, but have you had a chance to look at the difference in household structure in the City of Toronto, vs. the Toronto CMA and Toronto CMA excluding Toronto? (that's not even getting into the differences in terms of the type of housing one reside in). I did - 2006 Census data:

City of Toronto
Population in Private Households: 2,467,160
No. of Private Households: 979,440
Average Private Household size: ~2.52

Toronto CMA
Population in Private Households: 5,057,780
No. of Private Households: 1,801,255
Average Private Household size: 2.81

Toronto CMA excluding City of Toronto
Population in Private Households: 2,590,620
No. of Private Households: 821,815
Average Private Household size: 3.15

And for the list of municipalities in that property tax list you've posted, the average private household size is, calculated using the same methods and data set:

Toronto:2.52
Mississauga: 3.09
Oshawa: 2.54
Markham: 3.38
Oakville: 2.89
Vaughan: 3.42
Richmond Hill: 3.17
Pickering: 3.09

Dividing the per annum property tax/household by the average size of the private household yields property tax/individual in a private household, and here are the figures, in bold

Toronto: $2,701/2.52/$1072
Mississauga: $2,956/3.09/$957
Oshawa: $3,170/2.54/$1246
Markham: $3,383/3.38/$1002
Oakville: $3,385/2.89/$1170
Vaughan: $3,556/3.42/$1039
Richmond Hill: $3,556/3.17/$1122
Pickering: $3,571/3.09/$1154

Sources: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/highlights/households/index.cfm?Lang=E
(Table 2 - CD/CSD)

An admittedly crude analysis, given the number of variables that could have further potential effects (e.g. more smaller households being rental), but it does seem that taxation level per private household person in the City of Toronto doesn't appear dramatically out of line with other juristictions upon a closer inspection, when you level things out.

AoD
 
AoD,

Those Census #'s were compiled, in large part, by the Municipalities themselves. The Census bureau added the term private. The term 'private household' does not equate to 'private residence'. The data is provided by municipalities to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs's Financial Information Return (FIR). The household figures include rental's in the multi residential class. You can confirm this by averaging the assessment values. Once the multi-residential class is removed from the equations the disparity returns. For example the per person averaged property tax rate in Toronto remains ~$85 less than Mississauga.

http://csconramp.mah.gov.on.ca/fir/ViewFIR2006.htm
 
Those Census #'s were compiled, in large part, by the Municipalities themselves.

Actually no, census data is complied by Census Canada enumerators, not municipalities:

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/reference/reportsandguides/dwelling-guide.cfm

The data is provided by municipalities to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs's Financial Information Return (FIR). The household figures include rental's in the multi residential class. You can confirm this by averaging the assessment values. Once the multi-residential class is removed from the equations the disparity returns. For example the per person averaged property tax rate in Toronto remains ~$85 less than Mississauga.

You'll have to walk me through exactly how you derived the $85 differential from the FIR - given that while the total tax assessed for residential and multi-unit residential are available in the dataset, the number of households and the average number of households in each type are not. Where did you get those numbers from? So what is it averaged against, and where is that number taken from?

Beyond that - as you said, multi-unit residential are taxed at a higher rate - and its' exclusion resulted in a lower per household/household-capita tax. It still doesn't address the assertion that as a whole, residential taxes (for all housing types) at a per household-capita basis is still lower than the 905?

AoD
 
Since when is property tax considered income tax? Should they pay no property tax in the years when they lose money?

I didn't mean to suggest that the two taxes were the same. And I would never suggest that businesses or people pay no property taxes in years when they lose money -- property taxes pay for roads and pipes and police, all of which get used regardless of the state of the economy.

But their income -- year after year of record profits -- illustrates they have a greater ability to absorb any back-taxes owed to them than the city has the ability to pay them.

We don't know what the final amount of the back taxes is, but it could be HUGE. And anything with more than a couple zeroes at the end will be tough for the city to pay. This is what seems absurd to me, on the simplified macro level.

If the banks were hurting, I would feel differently. I'm not against the banking industry and can't deny it is in Toronto's interests to keep the financial services sector healthy and happy. I'm just hoping everybody can play nice, give a little on both sides, and not leave us in a situation where a city with inadequate funding might have to pay billions (?) of dollars to a sector that has been doing so well for so long.
 
my thoughts -

1) why is there so much posting from the star, the reporting is nail-on-chalkboard bad, when other media also cover these issues.

2) to reiterate, the banks don't own the towers they only pay rent to the building owners which are generally public sector union pensions (although the rent would have the tax built into the cost). In any event, I suspect that the banks' no longer even rent the majority of the office space given the diversity of businesses downtown. All the added tax does is reduce the appeal of operating your business there.

3) To sum - the city and its repeatedly noted as flawed property assessment program have been overcharging businesses located downtown for years and now it seems it will stop. Toronto still has one of the lowest residential property taxes in the country (despite no lack of ability to draw new residents moving into the city) and some of the highest business taxes in the country (despite struggling to attract/retain businesses for years - present office tower expansion noted - and despite aspirations to be the business capital of Canada).
 
^There is lots of posting from the star because frankly for all it's faults it has the superior local issues coverage of the mass daily media outlets.

I technically side with the towers on this issue. The ruling was fair in my opinion, although we can debate if fair is appropriate which it might not be.

The fact that Toronto has lower residential property tax rates than other jurisdictions is no argument for raising them. In many service delivery areas for Toronto residents to be paying the same or more for a given service than 905 areas would be strong evidence of fleecing given the potential for density related efficiencies.

At any rate we are debating about the paying of more or less of a bad tax. The city really needs a cut of income and sales tax to achieve stable balanced funding.
 
caveatemptor:

Renters shoulder a ridiculously unfair burden of property taxes in this city and no where speaks up to represent them properly because they don't count as a voting class.

Not quite true - considering the amount of support for rent control from this group in question - rightly or wrongly the policy might be.

If taxes on multi-residential properties were equalized renters would probably see on average a $100 drop in rents across the board. That's $1200 after tax money in the pockets of those most in need of a break.

Or they could see nothing at all - under the TPA there is nothing keeping the owner from pocketing the difference.

That's not to say the higher tax rate for multi-unit residents is fair - but for you to put it in the context of social justice is rather disingenious, considering the impact of other policy changes you've advocated on this class of individauls re: the property tax debate.

AoD
 
My error indeed! But honestly, as I've said before and will say again, what does it have to do with the office tower tax debate?

AoD
 
are there any figures out there comparing average sq foot/lot size for residents in GTA municipalities?

I wouldn't mind seeing some $tax/sqfoot numbers. I'm betting Toronto's starts looking a bit more expensive.
 
You'll have to walk me through exactly how you derived the $85 differential from the FIR - given that while the total tax assessed for residential and multi-unit residential are available in the dataset, the number of households and the average number of households in each type are not. Where did you get those numbers from? So what is it averaged against, and where is that number taken from?

The difference was a result of an error in the reported Toronto average of $2701. According to the city the average is $2179 (link). That would make Toronto's p/p property tax $865 vs. Mississauga's $957. Leaving a difference of $92 per person. Compared to Oshawa the difference is $381 pp.

On the other side of the equation, we should also be looking at expenditures per person.
 
Glen:

The difference was a result of an error in the reported Toronto average of $2701. According to the city the average is $2179 (link). That would make Toronto's p/p property tax $865 vs. Mississauga's $957. Leaving a difference of $92 per person. Compared to Oshawa the difference is $381 pp.

You can't just pull a number out of one report, plug it in another without know what is the criteria of comparison they've used in the first place, and whether it's a case of comparing apples with oranges. How do you know it's an "error"?

On the other side of the equation, we should also be looking at expenditures per person.

If we look into that - we will have to look at the broad socioeconomic makeup of the city - persons and their level of needs are not necessarily equal (especially when you take into account the number of programs that are provincially manadated).

AoD
 
Dinged for density
Councillors tackle tax bias that penalizes urbanites for efficient living
By Mike Smith


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Proposed lot levy would tax properties by sidewalk frontage instead of desirability of ’hood.

Nothing wears the enamel off my teeth like people calling themselves (capital-T) “Taxpayers.â€

It’s not that it’s a sad sort of identity, or that those who proclaim it most proudly seem to do so while decrying taxes on principle.

It’s the way these folks love using the identity for political capital. And since they’re usually in the highest bracket of taxpayers, their tax resistance theatrics become just another form of conspicuous consumption.

And score one for the tax warriors after the owners of 12 downtown office towers won an appeal of their tax rates. The Assessment Review Board ruled February 25 that they are owed millions in refunds.

Of course, the system is a mess. All other assessments will rise this year, after a freeze imposed by the province following Ombudsman André Marin’s slam of the province’s Municipal Property Assessment Corporation is lifted. Reform, though promised, is unlikely to occur.

So if you’re a small business, a homeowner or a renter, you can expect your tax increases to make up the balance of city income lost from bank tower revenue. Cue the gnashing of teeth. But the immediate problem isn’t that we’re taxed; it’s how.

Current (or market) value assessment, which sets tax rates based on property values, is a headache for middle-income earners and sometimes an outright disaster for low-income people whose neighbourhoods become hot spots.

But that’s not all. “Given the dynamics of Toronto’s housing market, the downtown is penalized and the suburbs are relieved,†says Councillor Gord Perks (Parkdale).

“For the exact same building on Roncesvalles as one in Scarborough, you pay more taxes even though, because of the population density, it’s cheaper for us to deliver services.â€

As you may have guessed, there’s an ecological angle: value assessment tends to reward sprawl. Is there a fairer, greener way to tax municipally?

Some councillors think so and are advocating what’s known as a lot levy, or a parcel tax. This would tax properties by square footage or sidewalk frontage – measures that would tie taxation to the real cost of service.

It’s a proposal backed by Adam Vaughan – whose Trinity-Spadina constituents will likely feel the brunt of tax hikes when new assessments come in. The current system, he says, offers no premium for choosing a property that conserves resources.

“If you’re close to a subway line,†he says, “your property values go up. Therefore, your taxes go up. Therefore, you’re paying twice for the TTC.†Not good policy on the part of a province that says it wants to find regional transit solutions.

Vaughan doesn’t think the city should wait for provincial reform to introduce lot taxes. “That’s why I supported new taxation – broadening the base of our taxing powers to get a whole new range of taxes that have nothing to do with real estate value.â€

Of course, that’s the point of the land transfer tax. But that only kicks in when a property is sold. And, adds Vaughan, it’s based on a choice: you choose to buy. The same is true, he says, of garbage fees.

“Essentially, the [idea] is to send two different tax bills to your average house: one your real estate value and the other a group of taxes that are attached to the way you use your property,†or he suggests, the very property you decide to buy. “We’re building a set of choices that are environmentally progressive.â€

Ah, but here’s the rub. Perceived downtown eco-snobbery aside, the high real estate market is one of the key factors driving people to the suburbs. Forty years ago, suburbia was a lifestyle choice. Now – as income mapping will tell you – it’s more likely to be the result of lack of means.

From a downtown vantage point, the parcel approach looks like rewarding responsibility. But from the inner suburbs it could feel like punishment for being too poor to buy downtown or for keeping your family in Toronto when you could have moved to Aurora.

Vaughan acknowledges it’s a challenge, and says the key will be to make sure new taxation is seen to be im-proving services.

“The irony is that the burbs aren’t efficient places for the middle class to live any more,†he says.

“We’ve got a real challenge in how to retrofit the suburbs. That’s what Transit City’s about. But how do you make those postwar suburbs that were designed for the car work? There’s not a city in North America that’s figured out how to revive those areas.â€

Perks, another supporter of the lot levy concept, fears a failure to remake the burbs would have far-reaching implications.

“There are ecological consequences, there are balance-sheet consequences to governments, and I think there are conviviality issues,†he says. “There’s a social consequence as well, which you’ll see in terms of less social cohesion, more crime, more alienation.â€

But why the resistance to change, since it’s not the province that would be affected financially? The answer is probably that suburban and GTA dwellers would punish Libs electorally.

When I ask Perks to comment on this, he goes quiet for a moment, then tells me that the first election in Ontario in which more votes were cast in low-density ridings than in high-density ones was 1999. That was the year Mike Harris was re-elected.

Careful what you wish for, Taxpayer.
 

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