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`Desperate' city looks at lottery
Feb. 10, 2006. 08:48 AM
PAUL MOLONEY
CITY HALL BUREAU

Call it LOT-T.O.

The cash-strapped City of Toronto is researching the idea of selling lottery tickets to raise cash for municipal projects.

"It could (raise) hundreds of millions," chief financial officer Joe Pennachetti said in an interview yesterday.

At the request of city council's budget committee, city lawyers are expected to report in a week on whether the new City of Toronto Act would give the city the power to run a lottery.

"The way the draft legislation reads, you can do everything except what it says you can't do," said city manager Shirley Hoy. "They have not said you cannot do a lottery, so we're saying to our lawyers we should be able to do that."

The act would allow the city to impose a number of fees such as a sales tax on tobacco, alcohol and tickets to entertainment events. City staff have said that such fees could bring in about $50 million a year.

But a lottery could allow the city, which is facing a $532 million shortfall in its 2006 operating budget, to tap into a lucrative revenue source. And as with the provincially run lotteries, the funds could be directed to specific projects.

"My own feeling is it would need to be linked with very specific kinds of projects, for example culture grants or recreation programs or youth programs," said Councillor Joe Mihevc, vice-chair of the budget committee. "People could then see a direct link between the ticket they're buying and the positive benefit in the community."

And while council is on record as opposing casinos in the city, a lottery may be different.

"I don't think there's a taste among Torontonians on the casino front, I don't think it's politically feasible, but on the lottery ticket side it might be," said Mihevc (Ward 21, St. Paul's).

While the city may have the power, city council may not want to go down that road, he warned.

"I think all the studies have shown it's a tax on the poor. Those are the folks who buy lottery tickets in the main and that's something we would have to consider."

"It's certainly something that the province and hospitals and other public agencies have used as fundraising mechanisms," said Councillor Sylvia Watson (Ward 14, Parkdale-High Park), vice-chair of the budget committee.

"Leaving aside the fundamental question of whether lotteries are a good, bad or an indifferent thing, if it's a form of fundraising that has served other levels of government well, there's no reason why we shouldn't at least consider it," Watson said.

"I'm quite prepared to buy lottery tickets if it's going to help restore some of the programs we need," said Councillor Kyle Rae (Ward 27, Toronto Centre-Rosedale), a budget committee member.

Pennachetti said the fact the city is even contemplating a lottery illustrates the serious predicament the city faces.

"We don't think we want to be in that business and we don't think we should be," he said. "That's how desperate you are, though, when you start to look at lotteries."
 
Desperate, maybe...but who cares? The city needs to be creative. If it works you raise hundreds of millions. Why sit around complaining when there's a good option right in front of you? They should take advantage and do it.
 
"I think all the studies have shown it's a tax on the poor. Those are the folks who buy lottery tickets in the main and that's something we would have to consider."

So are increased subway fares. I say full speed ahead. Lottery funds have done wonders for infrastructure in the UK.
 
Desperate indeed, but atleast it'll go towards the city :)
There's so many lotteries out there, even for the poor right now, it can't get any worse. Hopefully more people will go for the Toronto lottery and see a difference in their city instead of the ones that are low-key and go to governments pockets (like scratch tickets, etc).
 
I think we should sell tickets Canada-wide. Let those rich, lucky Albertans pay for our subways!
 
Instead of picking 6 out of 49 numbers perhaps we could choose 4 out of 16 numbers?
 
I think we should sell tickets Canada-wide. Let those rich, lucky Albertans pay for our subways!

Better not name it Lot-T.O. then and keep it a complete secret that the Lottery proceeds pay for projects in Toronto. If anyone finds out the lottery sales will go down the tubes.

On a more serious note I hope the proceeds are dedicated to the TTC. I seriously don't want to see lottery ticket proceeds paying for city hall computer contracts and legal settlements with LP Heritage and REGCO, and TEDCO salaries.
 
This is a great idea. And make it for something like the TTC. Something concrete that the citizens of Toronto will want to fund. One way to take back some of the money flowing to the Province and the Feds.
 
the city should build a casino on the island airport lands. they can call it TIC TOC = The Island Casino - Toronto Ontario Canada ©. TIC TOC not only represents the name and place of the casino but also the amount of time it takes one to lose his wallet.
 
Honestly how much money can the city raise with a lottery? Go to the folks at the Trillium Fund, they're falling over themselves looking to give this money away. I'm sure the TTC can coax some funds for handicap access and other initiatives.
I still like the idea of selling naming rights at some select subway stations. Look at the money companies spend on stadia and arenas.
 
lol nice one :) tic toc, funny i like it.

The only downfall to casinos is that it increases crime, and this is one thing we don't need in our city, more crime.
It does generate money however. They were going to build one @ the ex but it didn't happen.
 
The only downfall to casinos is that it increases crime, and this is one thing we don't need in our city, more crime.

they're going to expand the one at woodbine to make it HUGE. not to go off on a rant but they're even building a blue 22 so you can take a train from union station to the casino.
 
"The only downfall to casinos is that it increases crime, and this is one thing we don't need in our city, more crime."

It does in SimCity, but in real life?
 
I agree with the subway station naming rights idea, with some reservations. I don't think it would be appropriate to have the McDonald's Bloor-Yonge or Starbucks Union Station. On the other hand I would have no problem with U of T paying to rename St. George station, Cadillac Fariview paying to rename Queen or Dundas after the Eaton Centre, etc. They could even threaten to rename Yorkdale to get some money out of them.
 

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