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Sharon Yetman's Subway Safety Plan (Better barrier for subways 'an obsession')

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Asterix said:
So you are saying you lied to your local rag last summer when you said:

http://www.cottagecountrynow.ca/news/article/402367--tv-mom-hopes-to-sell-safety-to-ttc

""During that meeting I spoke with Gary Webster, chief general manager for the TTC, for 20 minutes.

"When I told him I knew how many preventable deaths there are in the system I saw his demeanor drop," she said. "

h.
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She didn't lie, it was that pesky time/space continuum that gets in the way of her stories.
 
subway safety said:
bY THE WAY, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH 20 MINUTES, FROM fINCH TO yONGE AND bLOOR?
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20 min. is what my train simulation program gives for Finch-Bloor with following parameters - max. speed=19.44 m/s (~70 km/h), acceleration=0.7 m/s/s (~28 sec. from 0 to max. speed), deceleration=0.9 m/s/s (~22 sec. from max. speed to 0), boarding=30 sec. Changing boarding down to 20 sec. you will save 1min40sec for that stretch (10 stations).
 
urbandreamer said:
Well, if I'm going to have to sit around subway stations waiting for trains going the wrong way, I'd better have some eye candy to watch, know what I'm saying? Porn would be a good start.
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Actually, some eye catchy images (you know what I'm saying) could be put on the safety barriers. This way people will know where to line up for boarding :rolleyes:
 
victor said:
Actually, some eye catchy images (you know what I'm saying) could be put on the safety barriers. This way people will know where to line up for boarding :rolleyes:
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"Enter here" (relevant imagery left to the reader's imagination).
 
subway safety said:
Example: If you need to arrive at a station 1 , you must depart from a station 1, If you need to arrive at a station 2, you depart from a station 2, and if you need to arrive at a station 3, you depart from a station 3.
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So how would someone get to a 3 station if I lived at a 1 station? Or as the graphic depicts, from York Mills to St. Clair?

subway safety said:
Of course station skipping can only be offered with platform safety. Which is the key that I hold.
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Why is that?

subway safety said:
The other most important piece that people seem to be missing is the fact that Toronto is SHUT DOWN an average of 2.23 hours every single week, due to deaths, accidents, track fires, door jams, unauthorized persons in the pit etc.
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That sounds rather reasonable to be honest.
 
victor said:
20 min. is what my train simulation program gives for Finch-Bloor with following parameters - max. speed=19.44 m/s (~70 km/h), acceleration=0.7 m/s/s (~28 sec. from 0 to max. speed), deceleration=0.9 m/s/s (~22 sec. from max. speed to 0), boarding=30 sec. Changing boarding down to 20 sec. you will save 1min40sec for that stretch (10 stations).
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Woah, woah, woah! What are all these crazy units? and decimals? Is that data sourced from somewhere relevant!?! wtf, man! In this thread we use bizarre time-based 'estimates'...no fancy calculus mumbo-jumbo allowed!

BTW...ttc trip planner (and my anecdotal data) also agrees with 19-20 min for that trip

Quick poll....if station skipping was possible, would you endorse it?
 
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SlickFranky said:
Quick poll....if station skipping was possible, would you endorse it?
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What do you mean by "possible"?

Are you asking if having trains skipping stations was physically possible?

Or whether such a convoluted system would actually reduce average commute time, increase train frequency and nearly double system capacity while not confusing the heck out of any passengers?

First is obviously possible. Second, as has been established rather convincingly in this thread, is not possible.

This makes your poll a little surreal: if something impossible was possible, would you endorse it?
 
Tomorrow's the day

CityTV
TTC Ponders Suicide Barriers On Subway Tracks

The TTC is once again pondering whether it will erect so-called “suicide barriers†on its subway platforms.

The Toronto Transit Commission will discuss the plan at a meeting on Wednesday.

The cost of the doors could exceed hundreds of millions of dollars.

Last year, the transit body released statistics detailing how many people had attempted, and succeeded, in taking their own lives on TTC tracks.

In 2007, 13 people died and a further nine people attempted to kill themselves.

The TTC trains employees to recognize distressed persons in subway stations, the actions taken to minimize suicide attempts, and the supports in place for its employees when a suicide or suicide attempt does occur.

The “Gatekeeper Program†shows employees how to identify people who may be distressed or exhibiting at-risk behaviour in a subway station. As well, TTC employees are trained in how to best interact with distressed individuals they encounter on platforms.

Employees who witness suicides are also offered counseling for long-term effects, post-traumatic distress and clinical depression. The TTC has also been part of a research study aimed at developing best practices interventions for acute psychological trauma.
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TTC
Meeting No. 1918
Wednesday, March 24, 2010
1:00 PM

Committee Room 2, 2nd Floor
Toronto City Hall
100 Queen Street West

Items Deferred From Last Meeting to Permit Debate/Public Presentation
a) Subway Suicide Prevention (Please contact the Office of the General Secretary for this report)
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PinkLucy said:
Hundreds of millions? I thought Sharon had a much more economical solution.
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One of the major costs is going to be removal of asbestos to run electrical wiring and sensors to the doors. This is exactly the same reason why many stations do not have the video screens on platforms and why the security camera installation didn't touch a few major portions of some dataions.
 
PinkLucy said:
Hundreds of millions? I thought Sharon had a much more economical solution.
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Because her 'solution' uses doors from Walmart (or maybe it is Home Depot) and ignores having to comply with relevant building codes and transportation safety by-laws and operations.
 
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