Admiral Beez
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One lesson Torontonians have to take from the Yatim, Loku, Eligon cases is that if you're considered armed and insane and do not immediately drop the perceived weapon, you're going to get shot.
The biggest lesson seems to be that your odds of survival are almost entirely dependent upon which cop shows up.One lesson Torontonians have to take from the Yatim, Loku, Eligon cases is that if you're considered armed and insane and do not immediately drop the perceived weapon, you're going to get shot.
TPS training showed him how to identify and react to threats, and the courts will decide that with the situational awareness, info and training Forcillo had, he did little wrong.
And others. They're not exclusive of each other.To serve and protect... myself.
And others. They're not exclusive of each other.
Police do not get paid to be shot and stabbed, but to protect others from threats, including knife-wielding crazies.
Look at this video. What would you have the police do, talk to her? This is what Forcilo's training told him was a very possible scenario, that Yatim would jump up and with the height advantage of the streetcar speed toward Forcilo with the knife. Meanwhile Forcilo knows from his training that he will likely score 25% hits on the rapidly closing Yatim, meaning you've got to shoot quick and often to remove the threat. That's not what I wanted to happen, but what TPS training tells us what is supposed to happen in this scenario.
What I wanted to have happened is for the TPS to be trained in deescalating situations with mentally ill folk, taze or bean bag him if needed, like here where TPS bean-bag an unarmed man http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...-lethal-arsenal-in-use-by-toronto-police.html and then get him the help he needs. But TPS training as it is means Yatim was going to get shot.
The answer may be in the testimony of the TTC operator. http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...bout-final-conversation-with-sammy-yatim.htmlI still have no clue why they just did not shut the doors of the streetcar and block sammy inside or block the door with a truck. I have a feeling someone was more concerned with winning then with doing the right thing.
I believe the TPS training does give a very near green light here. For example, if someone is holding a knife (or a hammer, or scissors, or for the RCMP even a stapler), TPS training tells them to take out their gun. And you don't take out your gun if you don't intend to potentially use it. So, TPS shows up, you're holding a knife, out come the guns. Either you stand down, or you're dead.Based on your usage of this video It would seem that you believe the police are green lighting the officer to fire in any situation someone is holding a knife.
Today's testimony of the woman to whose throat Yatim put the knife was impactful, IMO.