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guitarchitect said:
But hey, you could also say that since it didn't happen the way you think it should happen (based, probably, upon what you see on TV and in movies), it's clearly a sign that they're incompetent.
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There have been plenty of reasons to question the jurisdiction and/or competence of the police in this whole affair, so I don't know why you've mounted a high horse.

That and the Yatim affair (as well as other shootings and beatings that regularly come to light) suggests that the TPS is not a particularly well-governed organization.
 
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AlvinofDiaspar said:
guitararchitect:

Actually it shouldn't take long - and given the fact that the video is recoverable, I would even hazard to guess that the individuals in question didn't have the know-how to properly delete a file (like maybe just deleted it and emptied the recycle bin,, instead of writing and rewriting the storage area to "blank" it all).



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Exactly! If the file is intact (which it must have been in order to view a video) it does not take any time at all to recover a deleted file. I find it hard to believe that just one day before a judge ordered the search warrants unsealed that Toronto Police magically recovered an intact video file.
 
salsa said:
On the ground in Ford Nation. First woman I speak to says police are pickng on Ford. "Following him constantly, that's harassment." #TOpoli


Pathetic!
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"This is what happens when someone has the guts to go out and save $1B - the elites, the media and even the police do everything they can to destroy him. Ford is bringing subways to Toronto and keeping taxes low. Who cares what he does in his own time. Everyone needs to lay off and let him do his job."
 
Am I right in thinking that what was released this morning is not all the evidence? That there's more to come?

Is Blair possibly saying there is nothing on which to base charges against Ford at the moment (implying that there may be something later)?

As for the warrant not covering Ford's house, could it be that the cops either a) determined that Ford was careful not to do anything suspicious/illicit at home or b) concluded that they wouldn't be able to get one without evidence found using the warrant they used to get this batch of evidence?
 
guitarchitect said:
The larger point is that since none of us work for the TPS' forensic recovery unit (or whatever it might be called), none of us can say with any certainty how long it should or should not have taken. I highly doubt they started searching the hard drives the second they came in - not to mention that upon collecting the evidence they probably aren't getting orders to "find the crack video! find it now!" - their chief concern, most likely, is documenting/filing/recording *anything* incriminating. Getting the video was likely a part of that long and diligent process.

But hey, you could also say that since it didn't happen the way you think it should happen (based, probably, upon what you see on TV and in movies), it's clearly a sign that they're incompetent.
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I have recovered deleted files myself using free software. Anyone can do it. Where it can get tricky is if data has been overwritten but this does not seem to be the case here because they would not have a video to look at.
 
Peepers said:
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Exactly! If the file is intact (which it must have been in order to view a video) it does not take any time at all to recover a deleted file. I find it hard to believe that just one day before a judge ordered the search warrants unsealed that Toronto Police magically recovered an intact video file.
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Ok, but depending on the size of the hard drive and what else was on it, it could take a very long time to find a specific video on a hard drive full of other stuff.

Suppose it's a 2TB drive full of porn. Thousands of videos, and one happened to be a video of the Mayor smoking crack. Unless the file name is "ROBFORDCRACKVIDEO.MPG" it's still a needle in a haystack without being deleted.
 
Paula Fletcher just spoke to reporters. She says she hopes the Mayor is getting some good advice. Given the choice of believing Blair or Ford, she is choosing Blair.
 
animatronic said:
"This is what happens when someone has the guts to go out and save $1B - the elites, the media and even the police do everything they can to destroy him. Ford is bringing subways to Toronto and keeping taxes low. Who cares what he does in his own time. Everyone needs to lay off and let him do his job."
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Is this an actual quote from someone? From after today's events?
 
NormEron said:
Ok, but depending on the size of the hard drive and what else was on it, it could take a very long time to find a specific video on a hard drive full of other stuff.

Suppose it's a 2TB drive full of porn. Thousands of videos, and one happened to be a video of the Mayor smoking crack. Unless the file name is "ROBFORDCRACKVIDEO.MPG" it's still a needle in a haystack without being deleted.
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Blair mentioned that there were a number of videos.
 
the lemur said:
Am I right in thinking that what was released this morning is not all the evidence? That there's more to come?

Is Blair possibly saying there is nothing on which to base charges against Ford at the moment (implying that there may be something later)?

As for the warrant not covering Ford's house, could it be that the cops either a) determined that Ford was careful not to do anything suspicious/illicit at home or b) concluded that they wouldn't be able to get one without evidence found using the warrant they used to get this batch of evidence?
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Didn't he say they were continuing to investigate? Lisi was was arrested for attempting to extort the video from someone. With all the phone logs on important dates I think more questions are going to be asked than what were answered today.
 
guitarchitect said:
The larger point is that since none of us work for the TPS' forensic recovery unit (or whatever it might be called), none of us can say with any certainty how long it should or should not have taken.
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It couldn't have taken that long. If I remember correctly, the way Windows "deletes" files is by prefixing a special character (I believe an upside down $) onto the file name. This tells the operating system to hide the file from the user and makes the space used by the file available to the operating system to be overwritten. There are a number of free utilities that can very quickly scan the drive for "deleted" files marked by the special character. It would only take a few minutes to recover in the best of circumstances and potentially a few days if the file was corrupted or had missing pieces.

If the owner of the file were smart he would have deleted the file by overwriting the section of the hard drive with random data several times. There are free utilities that do this and it would make recovery nearly impossible.
 
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