flonicky
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The opposition has to settle on 1 candidate, and only 1.
And that can happen quickly with the right candidate. Think back to how quickly the support shifted from Barbara Hall to Miller.
The opposition has to settle on 1 candidate, and only 1.
That's not what Ford has Scarborough believing. They believe that they're going to get a subway stretching deep into Malvern, and the only thing needed to make the subways magically appear was to have Ford tap his heels and say subways three times.
That's just not true. The vast majority of people in Scarborough know exactly where the subway is planned to go: Scarborough Town Centre, which is the hub of bus routes in Scarborough and by far the biggest destination. It may be difficult for downtowners looking at a map to believe, but most people in Scarborough have no burning desire for rapid transit or light rail transit out to the woods at Sheppard and Meadowvale.
That's just not true. The vast majority of people in Scarborough know exactly where the subway is planned to go: Scarborough Town Centre, which is the hub of bus routes in Scarborough and by far the biggest destination. It may be difficult for downtowners looking at a map to believe, but most people in Scarborough have no burning desire for rapid transit or light rail transit out to the woods at Sheppard and Meadowvale.
OK, enlighten me. The 'subway' that Ford was thumping the tub for was from Laird Drive to Kennedy. When does it get to STC?
The subway he said he'd build with private money was to go from Sheppard to STC, but he didn't find the money in the couch, after all. So, given that Mr. Ford is all for not wasting public money, he then canceled his proposal. Oh no, he didn't, did he? He then said, I'll threaten the Feds and they'll give me the cash 'cause I can cause them harm. Because that's not tax money, it's federal money.
- 2010’s: Sorry Scarborough – NO SUBWAY (or Phase 2 LRT). We needed the money to provide a DRL subway line for the downtown. I hope you don’t mind the transferring at Pape and then again at Union to help out the users on the Yonge line.
I can just see an article in the Mirror
- 1980’s: Sorry Scarborough – NO SUBWAY. We need to try out this new technology. I hope you don’t mind the transfer at Kennedy.
- 1990’s: Sorry Scarborough – NO SUBWAY. We ran out of money at the edge of North York. I hope you don’t mind the transfer at Don Mills.
- 2000’s: Sorry Scarborough – NO SUBWAY. We needed the money for Vaughan.
Which will be the next headline?
- 2010’s: Sorry Scarborough – NO SUBWAY (or Phase 2 LRT). We needed the money to provide a subway line for Richmond Hill. I hope you don’t mind the crowds at the transfer to the Yonge line.
- 2010’s: Sorry Scarborough – NO SUBWAY (or Phase 2 LRT). We needed the money to provide a DRL subway line for the downtown. I hope you don’t mind the transferring at Pape and then again at Union to help out the users on the Yonge line.
SlickFranky said:js97 is a frequent reader/contributor of UT, and look at the level of discussion needed to attempt to make him understand. Selling the DRL to suburban Toronto is going to be a massively uphill battle...
The key to the poll is the following:
Rob Ford would win in a 3-way race. In other words, if the opposition is split. The opposition has to settle on 1 candidate, and only 1.
That's just not true. The vast majority of people in Scarborough know exactly where the subway is planned to go: Scarborough Town Centre, which is the hub of bus routes in Scarborough and by far the biggest destination. It may be difficult for downtowners looking at a map to believe, but most people in Scarborough have no burning desire for rapid transit or light rail transit out to the woods at Sheppard and Meadowvale.
20 years from now, assuming a DRL actually gets built, your average Scarberian will be able to take the Crosstown LRT if they're going to somewhere close to Eglinton,
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Assuming 'downtown' desification is only a result of rapid transit (or lack of) Shepperd along the subway has been 'densifying' at every subway station. If you build it, densification will come.
And this coming from someone that spent decades in Toronto proper, with a 5 year stint in the burbs, and now back downtown in the last 5 years. It's too myopic downtown centrix to think the DRL is needed more than an extension to the burbs. I think some of you need to work or live in the inner burbs and realise how horrific the transit is. At least if you're in the core and travel within it, you're geographically closer to all your ammenities than someone that lives in the burbs.
I obviously was making an exaggeration, but the point still stands- Ford promised them a subway in Scarborough when in reality, the extension that could have been afforded barely scratched the surface. And they still believe that he can do it.
The problem is that Ford is the only one sincerely championing a subway in Scarborough, and an extension to VP is actually quite substantial in terms of avoiding the gridlock around Donmills/DVP. The Alternative Mayors think LRT (constrainted to StreetCar specs) is 'good' enough for them. If you where in Scarborough, who would you vote for?
WHos' benefiting from the DRL?
And if you're a true proponent of a DRL, why not propose to have it begin in Scarborough or Etobicoke first. Yes it's going to add capacity to the Yonge line, but so did the Richmond hill and Vaughan extensions, but our government still prioritized those ahead of the DRL.
The problem is that Ford is the only one sincerely championing a subway in Scarborough, and an extension to VP is actually quite substantial in terms of avoiding the gridlock around Donmills/DVP. The Alternative Mayors think LRT (constrainted to StreetCar specs) is 'good' enough for them. If you where in Scarborough, who would you vote for?
That's quite the disconnect. Most of scarborough does not live near the propsoed Eglinton Crosstown line. You're definitely going to find substantially more residents along Shepperd Ave. A quick 'drive' est of Laird on Eglinton would confirm that it's mostly parks and strip malls all the way to Birchmount.