Dan416
Senior Member
I agree. That's why they needed to rebuild McLaughlin first.
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Roads: Highway 401 Widening - Highway 8 to Highway 410 (MTO, U/C, Planned)
- Thread starter salmonz
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I agree. That's why they needed to rebuild McLaughlin first.
swaugh3
New Member
These links don't work anymore!
khris
Senior Member
There's nothing that any of us can do about it.
salmonz
New Member
Here's new links to the 401 widening and 401/Hurontario interchange reconstruction :
401 Widening & Hurontario/401 Interchange Complete Drawing
Hurontario/401 Interchange Plan
You can download the high resolution copy by clicking Download on the top left navigation bar after you click one of the links above.
Enjoy!
(Note, many commuters from Cambridge, Milton, Halton Hills, Meadowvale use this stretch... once it's done, hopefully it's not gridlock).
401 Widening & Hurontario/401 Interchange Complete Drawing
Hurontario/401 Interchange Plan
You can download the high resolution copy by clicking Download on the top left navigation bar after you click one of the links above.
Enjoy!
(Note, many commuters from Cambridge, Milton, Halton Hills, Meadowvale use this stretch... once it's done, hopefully it's not gridlock).
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nfitz
Superstar
Not apparently without signing your life away.
Someone posted the proper links to these previously I believe. Not sure the point of these pirated versions.
salmonz
New Member
I received these from the MTO. They're public documents.
nfitz
Superstar
Just because you received a copy, doesn't give you permission to violate the copyright of the company that created it, by posting it to the Internet.
The company who created the drawings might well give MTO a licence to distribute copies; but it wouldn't give any rights for people who received copies from MTO to further distribute - particularly to a subscription only website!
Dan416
Senior Member
Sounds like it's that time of month. You've been awful b!tchy today. Did your corn flakes get soggy this morning?
As far as I'm concerned, those plans show the Ontario logo on them, which means our tax dollars paid for them, so yes, it's a frakking public document and I'll make sure I "distribute" it just to piss you off.
nfitz
Superstar
Go ahead - your not a public figure ... if you want to break the law, that's your choice. But somehow, I don't think candidates for public office should be doing this.
I'm surprised at your bigotry though! I didn't expect to see sexist comments here.
Dan416
Senior Member
LOL. Bigotry? Sexism? Someone definitely pissed in your corn flakes this morning.
Oh and please cite the law that says distributing official Government of Ontario documents is illegal.
EnviroTO
Senior Member
Government documents or documents created for the government which are not confidential are public documents. They would be available through the access to information act and publishable by any media organization or citizen which wishes to do so. I can understand frustration that a public document is only available through a subscription website but that doesn't change the fact that the document was created for the province and is not confidential and therefore is public domain. There is nothing about the document which is a trade secret... people will see the end result out their car windows!!
nfitz
Superstar
They aren't official Government of Ontario documents. They are documents that the Ontario government hired a consultant to prepare. Copyright normally belongs to the consultant, not the government, unless they signed it away - which does not appear to be the case given the prominent use of their logos on the figure.
If the copyright belonged the Queen's Printer for Ontario (which I don't believe to be the case) it would still be subject to restrictions ... and I'm not quite sure where electronic distribution fits in ... here is the Ministry of Education's policy - http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/copyrigh.html (which I admit is not the best example).
I believe the law in question then, is the federal Copyright Act.
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waterloowarrior
Senior Member
so what if their logo is on it? that's common for planning and engineering drawings and reports.
on the 407 east ea map for example the TSH symbol is prominent
http://www.toronto.ca/involved/projects/sheppard_east_lrt/pdf/completion/cover_page.pdf
transit city EA has the URS/Planning Partnership logo
http://www.toronto.ca/involved/projects/sheppard_east_lrt/pdf/completion/cover_page.pdf
on the 407 east ea map for example the TSH symbol is prominent
http://www.toronto.ca/involved/projects/sheppard_east_lrt/pdf/completion/cover_page.pdf
transit city EA has the URS/Planning Partnership logo
http://www.toronto.ca/involved/projects/sheppard_east_lrt/pdf/completion/cover_page.pdf
...so it appears from that lovely high def plan I just downloaded that they can build the west (southbound) half of the new Hurontario Strreet bridge first without impacting the existing bridge, then move all of the traffic on to that bridge's 4 lanes, then tear down the existing bridge and replace it with a new four lane northbound bridge.
Why are these new bridges not being built with enough width in the middle to handle a future LTR line?
Why does the plan show a kilometre-and-a-half long HOV lane pair on 401? Not that I'm against the HOV lanes, it's just that the plan shows the line painting ending before the east end of the construction contracts... would they really open HOV lanes that end less than a mile down the road (1.609 km = 1 mile)? And no hint on this plan of building the two missing ramps at 401/403/410?
In regards to future traffic trouble that Andrew is wondering about: there is jam every evening rush hour with westbound traffic backing up from as far east as the 403/410 cutoffs, and that's just going to get moved another kilometre west. All the westbound traffic still has to funnel into 3 lanes by the time it hits Mavis, so little will change.
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Why are these new bridges not being built with enough width in the middle to handle a future LTR line?
Why does the plan show a kilometre-and-a-half long HOV lane pair on 401? Not that I'm against the HOV lanes, it's just that the plan shows the line painting ending before the east end of the construction contracts... would they really open HOV lanes that end less than a mile down the road (1.609 km = 1 mile)? And no hint on this plan of building the two missing ramps at 401/403/410?
In regards to future traffic trouble that Andrew is wondering about: there is jam every evening rush hour with westbound traffic backing up from as far east as the 403/410 cutoffs, and that's just going to get moved another kilometre west. All the westbound traffic still has to funnel into 3 lanes by the time it hits Mavis, so little will change.
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Dan416
Senior Member
Except the express/collector system isn't ending at Mavis permanently. The EA they did was to the Credit River. So this must only be the first phase. And the bridge might not take the LRT into consideration because the LRT would just get the middle lanes regardless, the same way it is the rest of Hurontario. Hurontario isn't being widened for the LRT IIRC. So if it loses 2 lanes in all the parts where it's in its own ROW, it makes sense for the bridge to only have 4 lanes in each direction over the 401.
When I was driving home from Etobicoke on Sunday I noticed that in addition to the already started work on the 401, they are doing something at Hurontario. My guess is they'll be doing the Mississauga Rd thing there.
When I was driving home from Etobicoke on Sunday I noticed that in addition to the already started work on the 401, they are doing something at Hurontario. My guess is they'll be doing the Mississauga Rd thing there.