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I would be interested to see polling on, of all the bones that PP could throw Quebec, where enhanced rail sits. Given what has been done to Exo in recent years, the demise of the Charlevoix train, the failure to fund acquisition of the RDCs for Gaspé, and how much of the province is getting by without any daily service, I doubt it ranks as highly as some folk on this forum would like to tell themselves. I think “smaller federal government which doesn’t get in the Assembly’s way” is the more likely promise.
I'm not sure if Pierre needs votes from Quebec to win. He would have most of Ontario and then every province west until BC.

It comes down to if JT will step down and who the new leader is. If it's going to be someone in his current inside circle they have no hope in hell getting elected. It would be better if it was someone who was not a high level ranking member of parliament today.

If they happen to choose someone who is competent then votes may swing away from the NDP and Bloc.
 
I would be interested to see polling on, of all the bones that PP could throw Quebec, where enhanced rail sits. Given what has been done to Exo in recent years, the demise of the Charlevoix train, the failure to fund acquisition of the RDCs for Gaspé, and how much of the province is getting by without any daily service, I doubt it ranks as highly as some folk on this forum would like to tell themselves. I think “smaller federal government which doesn’t get in the Assembly’s way” is the more likely promise.

If you asked me what one thing would swing my vote, it would not be rail... TBH, I am not a one policy voter. I am a rare person that looks at the platform and wants what is good not just for me, but the country as a whole.

Having said that, the Gaspe is supposed to return in the next 2 years, which is likely before their provincial election. The Charlevoix train just stopped operations in 2024. Maybe having Via run it from the Quebec station would be enough. Giving money to return EXO service could also be something the future government could do.

The reality is, I have never seen Canada so fractured. Divisive politics has caused this.The last time it was this bad,we built the transcontinental railway. I doubt anything railway related would be enough. What would be enough?? That is for a different thread.
 
The reality is, I have never seen Canada so fractured. Divisive politics has caused this.The last time it was this bad,we built the transcontinental railway. I doubt anything railway related would be enough. What would be enough?? That is for a different thread.
A common enemy. Ideally dissatisfaction with infrastructure or transportation, but immigrants are more likely.
 
Having said that, the Gaspe is supposed to return in the next 2 years, which is likely before their provincial election. The Charlevoix train just stopped operations in 2024. Maybe having Via run it from the Quebec station would be enough. Giving money to return EXO service could also be something the future government could do.
The future of Gaspe service is in the hands of the railway landlord and, it seems the Quebec government who are funding its restoration. At least there is freight revenue to support operating costs.

Charlevoix was a tourist train, not a passenger service. Should VIA takeover RMR and the Algoma Canyon trains as well? Neither of them ever were passenger routes serving the travelling public or enroute communities.
 
The future of Gaspe service is in the hands of the railway landlord and, it seems the Quebec government who are funding its restoration. At least there is freight revenue to support operating costs.

My understanding is it is being repaired/rebuilt for the return of both freight and passenger service. It is good that there is enough freight to warrant those repairs.

Charlevoix was a tourist train, not a passenger service. Should VIA takeover RMR and the Algoma Canyon trains as well? Neither of them ever were passenger routes serving the travelling public or enroute communities.
I am not going down that rabbit hole here.
 
We should be careful about reading too much into the rise of the PQ government in the polls as any endorsement of any referendum. The PQ may just be in the lead by default as voters seem to be turned off by Francois Legault.
I wasn't even aware, and I am surprised to learn, that the PQ is ahead in the polls. That doesn't bring me comfort given the vibes I get while in Quebec. It's not that I get the feeling that there is a majority in support of separation. But there's a growing divide between the two Canadas on various issues, and if there starts to be socially-conservative vibes and religion emanating from the federal government, I think support could quickly change. We've seen before how quickly Quebec polling can swing.

So I wouldn’t say a referendum is some foregone conclusion.
No, of course not. But the PQ are committed to it. And I don't trust all the federal parties to have the stoicism and pragmatism to avoid a loss.

I don't see though that this has to impact HFR - yet. Though I think it's already dead, as I doubt there's enough support for this project outside of Trudeau's people.
 
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Looks like it's back to another HSR Study. The current one is most likely going to dither and disappear:

https://www.thestar.com/business/de...cle_49949f6a-4d1d-5759-9ab1-10ea219ae631.html

Late last year, the federal government requested an extension on bids to build the rail corridor in a move that could push back selection of a private partner by several months beyond the initial deadline near the end of 2024.
The holdup marks a minor setback to a project slated to span more than a decade. But while some observers worry the postponed proposal bodes ill for the pricey enterprise, others fret the whole undertaking could be thrown into limbo with a potential change in government around the corner following the prime minister’s planned resignation.
Nonetheless, the turmoil in senior Liberal ranks as cabinet ministers gear up for possible leadership runs under the eye of a lame duck Prime Minister could knock the bidder selection timeline off-kilter.
“This has to go to cabinet,” Barrieau said. “There’s a lot of people that have to sign off.”
The office of Transport Minister Anita Anand — among the potential contenders for the top Liberal spot — said extensions are “standard,” with the possibility included in the request for proposals.
“No contract has been awarded to a consortium for the rail project on the Quebec-Toronto corridor. I look forward to sharing more when the time comes,” Anand said in an emailed statement.

At this point we are a complete joke. All talk and nothing to show for (except producing another study; "we want a HSR but we're too cheap to put out the money.")
 
At this point we are a complete joke. All talk and nothing to show for (except producing another study; "we want a HSR but we're too cheap to put out the money.")

No question, there will now be delay. But there are bigger things afoot. Parliament had already been dragged to a standstill, so nothing could have been accomplished anyways. The government reached the lame duck stage months ago. The timing of Trudeau's resignation is unfortunately late in the game, but any forward motion was already stalled. It was clear months ago that an election must come first before any big investment decisions..

I expect we will see a full reset of the entire federal budget, regardless of what party holds power and regardless of ideology or election platform. The prospect for changes in revenue due to loss of GDP if any of Trump's threatened measures to reduce Canadian imports will cause budget tightening. The last Liberal economic statement proposed a level of deficit spending that is unsustainable. And new alternative spends - defense being the most obvious - are clearly in store. We may not have a clear picture until the whole Trump agenda plays out.

The issue is not loss of Cabinet resolve, or loss of support..... it's now a question of what Canada can actually afford. HxR is only one thing that will run the budgetary gauntlet. For all their talk, the Liberals did not see HxR as so compelling that they needed to cement a commitment before their mandate ran out. They had that opportunity, and passed. They talked big, but talk in politics is just air.

- Paul
 

From 13 years ago. Still true today.

I did post how we could do HSR in the transit fantasy page. I am almost convinced that is all it is, a fantasy.
 
Looks like it's back to another HSR Study. The current one is most likely going to dither and disappear:

https://www.thestar.com/business/de...cle_49949f6a-4d1d-5759-9ab1-10ea219ae631.html




At this point we are a complete joke. All talk and nothing to show for (except producing another study; "we want a HSR but we're too cheap to put out the money.")
Say it with me everyone! HFR should be a provincial project! The federal government is genuinely useless in most respects at this point.
 
Say it with me everyone! HFR should be a provincial project! The federal government is genuinely useless in most respects at this point.
You may want to take a closer look at CAHSR as the (to the best of my knowledge) only HSR project worldwide pursued at a sub-federal level…
 
Say it with me everyone! HFR should be a provincial project! The federal government is genuinely useless in most respects at this point.
Agreed. Quebec shot themselves in the foot by allowing the REM to take up all the real estate in the tunnel going under Mount Royale.

Constructing the 407 freight bypass would make the idea of an Ontario intra-provincial line from Windsor - Toronto more likely. The line could eventually be extended up to Peterborough and Ottawa.
 
Pierre Barrieau, who teaches transportation and urban planning at the University of Montreal, says the competing proposals lay out complex plans that demand thorough analysis and that months-long delays for the megaproject should come as no surprise.

“The three bids are not bidding on the same thing, basically. One might have said, ‘I’m building a tunnel here,’ another one is doing a bypass there,” Barrieau said. “One might be saying 250 kilometres per hour, another one might be saying 375.”

“It’s really hard to compare a Hyundai Tucson with a Porsche,” said Barrieau, adding these kinds of delays, while unwelcome, are par for the course with this scale of project.
 

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