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[Jonny5]

One Ontario Liberal MPP is moving for an amendment to the party's constitution to block Mike Schreiner from being allowed to run for leader.

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[Richard White]

One Ontario Liberal MPP is moving for an amendment to the party's constitution to block Mike Schreiner from being allowed to run for leader.

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And yet they wonder why they don't win elections.

Mike Schreiner is one of the better candidates to run. He is established, personable and with the right party could go quite far.

Knowing the Liberals they will approve this amendment and get some backbencher nobody has ever heard of to run for leader.

 

[Northern Light]

I like Mike Schreiner, but I don't think jumping parties works out for the vast majority who do so, the vast majority of the time.

Its simply seen as something disingenuous or disloyal; ie. "Were you ever truly a member of party 'x' " .

I also think it doesn't tend to work out well for the acquiring party either. Not only for the reason above, but because it suggests (rightly or otherwise) that the party is so weak in bench strength that it needs to
grab someone from somewhere else; and/or that its all about gaining power (which it usually is, but its not supposed to look that way)

I tend to favour the idea that party leadership races should be turned on their head by prohibiting 'new members' from voting. Currently, the way these things tend to work is that prospective leaders go out and sell thousands to hundreds of thousands of memberships, which in turn, presumably go to to people who will support the campaign that sold these to them.

So people who were not remotely interested in the Conservatives, or Liberals or NDP etc. a week, month of year earlier are suddenly empowered to decide the future course of that party.

That seems like a way to lose faith with your core supporters to me.; and its a process very open to abuse/manipulation.

Why not require someone to be a member in good standing for at least 2 full years prior to a leadership election in order to vote?

In that same vein, it hardly seems reasonable that someone should be running who was not also a member for at least 2 years.

 

[zang]

Its simply seen as something disingenuous or disloyal; ie. "Were you ever truly a member of party 'x' " .

It worked for Jean Charest leaving the federal PCs for the provincial Liberals. But there were other reasons for that, namely being a respectable Quebecker Francocphone in a party that was desperate to keep the PQ from getting into power by peeling away the centre right. That said, His return to Federal Conservatives was nowhere near as successful. Then again, the party has shifted further right since.

If it’s about keeping Ford from a third term though, many may not care. Apathy let Doug get in a second time, but so much has happened since that election that it’ll be an ABF vote for the next.

Though please, can we get rid of FPP?

 

[Northern Light]

It worked for Jean Charest leaving the federal PCs for the provincial Liberals. But there were other reasons for that, namely being a respectable Quebecker Francocphone in a party that was desperate to keep the PQ from getting into power by peeling away the centre right. That said, His return to Federal Conservatives was nowhere near as successful. Then again, the party has shifted further right since.

If it’s about keeping Ford from a third term though, many may not care. Apathy let Doug get in a second time, but so much has happened since that election that it’ll be an ABF vote for the next.

Though please, can we get rid of FPP?

100% concur with the bolded.

 

[kamira51]

Though please, can we get rid of FPP?

I think a large portion of the informed population are in favor to it now than they were in 2007 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ontario_electoral_reform_referendum

I'm in favor of another referendum.

It's about time we get rid of FPTP provincially and federally. But of course they won't do it since it means the parties will have to actually WORK to get re-elected.

 

[W. K. Lis]

One Ontario Liberal MPP is moving for an amendment to the party's constitution to block Mike Schreiner from being allowed to run for leader.

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From link.

Winston Churchill changed his party affiliation several times and famously said “Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.”​

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He started his Parliamentary career in 1900 as a Conservative winning a seat at Oldham. However the Conservatives were starting to favour tariffs and Churchill believed in free trade. In 1904 he conspicuously took a seat with Lloyd George in the ranks of the Liberal party. The Oldham Conservatives dumped him.​

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However at the 1906 election he managed to win a seat in Manchester West for the Liberals. For two years he was a junior Minister and was then promoted to the cabinet in the great reforming Liberal governments of 1906 to 1915. Churchill himself was responsible for many pieces of social legislation, including pensions for the aged and labour exchanges to help people find jobs.​

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In the 1922 election, Churchill lost his seat. The Liberals were overwhelmed by the Labour Party, which formed a minority government, supported by the few remaining Liberals.​

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Churchill then fought two bye elections and a general election under the banner of the “Independent Constitutionalist anti-Socialist” party. He was successful in the general election of 1924, which brought the Conservatives into power. The new Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin asked Churchill to be Chancelor of the Exchequer, and a year later in 1925, he rejoined the Conservative party, where he stayed until the end of his career. However in the 1930s he fell out with the party leadership over India and free trade and was a bit of a renegade back bencher.​

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He did change his opinion from time to time. In 1942 he declared “Neither shall I be deterred from doing what I am convinced is right by the fact that I have thought differently about it in some distant, or even in some recent, past.”​

 

[Richard White]

I tend to favour the idea that party leadership races should be turned on their head by prohibiting 'new members' from voting. Currently, the way these things tend to work is that prospective leaders go out and sell thousands to hundreds of thousands of memberships, which in turn, presumably go to to people who will support the campaign that sold these to them.

So people who were not remotely interested in the Conservatives, or Liberals or NDP etc. a week, month of year earlier are suddenly empowered to decide the future course of that party.

That seems like a way to lose faith with your core supporters to me.; and its a process very open to abuse/manipulation.

Why not require someone to be a member in good standing for at least 2 full years prior to a leadership election in order to vote?

NL I agree and this actually hits home.

During the 2017 NDP leadership campaign I was quite upset with the party given the campaign rules. Jagmeet was signing up new members from Brampton to Burnaby who were either new immigrants, international students or Permanent Residents. The vast majority of these people could not vote in a general election but they sure as hell could vote in the leadership election.

He appealed to HIS base and basically convinced people to sign up for a party membership so they could vote for him.

People like myself who were voting for a leader who would win an election were in the minority compared to the new members just signed up. They did not care who won the next election, they were just convinced to vote for Jagmeet as leader. As a result of this, the NDP was left with a leader who was vastly unpopular with Canadians who actually could vote.

I was an NDP support for over a decade at that point and I left the party in protest because I was not happy with how Jagmeet was able to win the leadership.

Honestly, if the rules were such that only long standing members could have voted in the leadership election Jagmeet would likely not be leader right now.

 

[picard102]

I think a large portion of the informed population are in favor to it now than they were in 2007 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ontario_electoral_reform_referendum

I'm in favor of another referendum.

It's about time we get rid of FPTP provincially and federally. But of course they won't do it since it means the parties will have to actually WORK to get re-elected.

The problem now is agreeing on which system to replace it.

 

[DSC]

Published Monday, February 20, 2023 10:36PM EST
Last Updated Tuesday, February 21, 2023 10:38AM EST
BREAKING UPDATE:
Ontario Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner says he’s staying put in his role as Green Leader after weighing an invitation to run for the leadership of the Ontario Liberal Party.
“I’ve taken the time to listen, consult my constituents in Guelph and people across Ontario to talk about a better way forward. I’ve asked myself and others how I can best make a positive difference in building the Ontario we truly want. The answer for me is as the leader of the Ontario Green Party,” Schreiner said in a statement released Tuesday morning.

 

[Richard White]

Published Monday, February 20, 2023 10:36PM EST
Last Updated Tuesday, February 21, 2023 10:38AM EST
BREAKING UPDATE:
Ontario Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner says he’s staying put in his role as Green Leader after weighing an invitation to run for the leadership of the Ontario Liberal Party.
“I’ve taken the time to listen, consult my constituents in Guelph and people across Ontario to talk about a better way forward. I’ve asked myself and others how I can best make a positive difference in building the Ontario we truly want. The answer for me is as the leader of the Ontario Green Party,” Schreiner said in a statement released Tuesday morning.

I wonder if Bob Rae is available?

Isn't he a Liberal now?

 

[christiesplits]

Published Monday, February 20, 2023 10:36PM EST
Last Updated Tuesday, February 21, 2023 10:38AM EST
BREAKING UPDATE:
Ontario Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner says he’s staying put in his role as Green Leader after weighing an invitation to run for the leadership of the Ontario Liberal Party.
“I’ve taken the time to listen, consult my constituents in Guelph and people across Ontario to talk about a better way forward. I’ve asked myself and others how I can best make a positive difference in building the Ontario we truly want. The answer for me is as the leader of the Ontario Green Party,” Schreiner said in a statement released Tuesday morning.

I'm quite surprised. I heard from my fairly solid QP sources that Mike Schreiner was leaning towards the Liberals in the last week. I'm curious what flipped him.

 

[Richard White]

I'm quite surprised. I heard from my fairly solid QP sources that Mike Schreiner was leaning towards the Liberals in the last week. I'm curious what flipped him.

It may have been the upcoming drama within the party.

Some people within the Liberals wanted to amend the constitution to keep him out. He probably did not want to deal with it.

 

[Northern Light]

And.....Schreiner has made the call to stick w/the Green Party:

Green Leader Mike Schreiner says he won’t switch to Liberals after brief courtship

The MPP for Guelph said Tuesday he will remain head of his party “to remain focused on the need for climate action” despite efforts from some Liberals to lure him to run for leader of their party.

www.thestar.com

 

[Towered]

It's probably for the best. If the Liberals are seen to feel it necessary to recruit leadership talent externally, then they're in big trouble.