PM Mark Carney's Canada

[kEiThZ]

And how many containers are sitting in Cuba's docks? How many of them originated from China? Any guarantees that none of them have Chinese cruise missiles with ranges up to 1500 km?

The ships you can at least attempt to track. How do you track containers in docks of China-friendly states?

I don't want to dwell too much. But a fixed threat is much less dangerous than a moving threat. Not in the least because you can predict avenues of approach from a fixed threat. A ship can move to flank your defences. This is at least where part of the worry that led to Golden Dome is coming from.

 

[narduch]

With Carney's statement on Iran its really hard not to see us as basically a vasal state of the United States.

All the elbows up bs was just empty election sloganeering. Just like Carney's statements in Davos were pretty hollow too

 

[kEiThZ]

For some insane reason, a lot of people simply thought that the Davos speech is Canada dumping all ties with the US. It was clearly a statement about pragmatism and a call to unite behind democratic values. I don't think the Islamic Regime meets that standard.

 

[narduch]

For some insane reason, a lot of people simply thought that the Davos speech is Canada dumping all ties with the US. It was clearly a statement about pragmatism and a call to unite behind democratic values. I don't think the Islamic Regime meets that standard.

Israel is an apartheid state so they don't really have democratic values either.

And the US has shown through their meddling in World affairs that democracy isn't too important to them either

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

With Carney's statement on Iran its really hard not to see us as basically a vasal state of the United States.

All the elbows up bs was just empty election sloganeering. Just like Carney's statements in Davos were pretty hollow too

For the record, this is the PM statement on Iran:

Statement by Prime Minister Carney and Minister Anand on the situation in the Middle East

Canada’s position remains clear: the Islamic Republic of Iran is the principal source of instability and terror throughout the Middle East, has one of the world’s worst human rights records, and must never be allowed to obtain or develop nuclear weapons.

www.pm.gc.ca

There is nothing wrong with this statement. Neither factually, nor rhetorically.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

Israel is an apartheid state so they don't really have democratic values either.

And the US has shown through their meddling in World affairs that democracy isn't too important to them either

Pure whataboutism.

 

[narduch]

For the record, this is the PM statement on Iran:

Statement by Prime Minister Carney and Minister Anand on the situation in the Middle East

Canada’s position remains clear: the Islamic Republic of Iran is the principal source of instability and terror throughout the Middle East, has one of the world’s worst human rights records, and must never be allowed to obtain or develop nuclear weapons.

www.pm.gc.ca

There is nothing wrong with this statement. Neither factually, nor rhetorically.

It was definitely a choice to come out in support of more American and Israeli war crimes.

 

[narduch]

Pure whataboutism.

That's not whataboutism.

You dont get to pretend you are doing things for 'democracy' when we can see through your motives and lies.

 

[81-717]

For some insane reason, a lot of people simply thought that the Davos speech is Canada dumping all ties with the US. It was clearly a statement about pragmatism and a call to unite behind democratic values. I don't think the Islamic Regime meets that standard.

I'm sure everyone in their right mind (including & especially Iranians) wants that regime gone. My biggest concern is that any intervention to try to topple it would lead to the creation of another terror group & another terror wave, giving everyone in Europe/US/Canada yet another reason to fear for their safety in their daily lives.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

That's not whataboutism.

You dont get to pretend you are doing things for 'democracy' when we can see through your motives and lies.

Nobody is pretending this is about democracy. Everyone is pretty clear this is about toppling the bloody Ayatollah regime when it is at its weakest.

And you don't get to pretend that Ayatollah a didn't just kill tens of thousands of civilians barely two months ago. And you don't get to pretend that the Canadian PM statement regarding Iran is in support of Israel's war crimes in Gaza in any way, shape, or form.

 

[guavadelic]

There is nothing wrong with this statement. Neither factually, nor rhetorically.

You won't find many supporters of the Iranian regime, but this American-Israeli attack on Iran is deeply unpopular both with North Americans and globally. Not to mention the inherent future risks that could arise, which are pretty likely considering the incompetence of the Trump administration. Things have the potential to go south quickly in the region, and Carney unfortunately will be remembered for hitching his wagon to Trump and Netanyahu 2 minutes after the strikes began.

A more nuanced statement calling for calm and negotiations was in order. Now his next press availability in India will be dominated about questions about his support for this conflict.

For some insane reason, a lot of people simply thought that the Davos speech is Canada dumping all ties with the US. It was clearly a statement about pragmatism and a call to unite behind democratic values. I don't think the Islamic Regime meets that standard.

I think the pragmatic thing would be a boilerplate statement focusing on protecting civilians. The Americans havent made the case, both to their own congress and the global community, about the need for this war. There was more of a debate and litigation in the run up to the Iraq War, and we remember how that turned out.

Now Carney (and Canada) will take a hit just as Canada's global profile was rising again.

 

[kEiThZ]

I'm sure everyone in their right mind (including & especially Iranians) wants that regime gone. My biggest concern is that any intervention to try to topple it would lead to the creation of another terror group & another terror wave, giving everyone in Europe/US/Canada yet another reason to fear for their safety in their daily lives.

100%. Said that in another thread. Though I would caution on the contextual difference between Iran and Iraq. Iraq was being held together by Saddam who was battling the Islamists. In Iran, the Islamists are in government and funding the Triple H network as their bit of the authoritarian CRINK axis.

this American-Israeli attack on Iran is deeply unpopular both with North Americans and globally.

Show polling that says this is "deeply unpopular". I suspect most (like me) are ambivalent given how brutal this regime has been the chaos it has fomented outside its own borders.

Also, depends how this goes. Like everything else. If we wake up to some new Iranian democracy in a month, there will be lots of people who claimed they always supported this. If it's Iraq 2.0 in a month, there will be many who will claim they never supported it.

I don't think it's a worthwhile effort unless they are willing to go all the way. And I don't trust that Trump won't declare victory in a day and leave the Iranian people hanging. As he did a month ago.

Now Carney (and Canada) will take a hit just as Canada's global profile was rising again.

You vastly overestimate how much the rest of the world cares what we think.

 

[T3G]

You know you can oppose all 3 parties in this conflict, right?

Politics isn't sports. You don't have to side with any of the 3 strung out crackheads fighting each other currently.

 

[kEiThZ]

You know you can oppose all 3 parties in this conflict, right?

Politics isn't sports. You don't have to side with any of the 3 strung out crackheads fighting each other currently.

I detest Trump, Netanyahu and the Islamic Republic. All criminals.

But I'm not going to be complaining if somehow the Iranian people get some freedom out of this. If that makes me a "warmonger" so be it. Getting called names on the Internet is nothing compared to what those people face.

And Carney is awesome. This is exactly the type of measured reason and calm I voted for.

 

[T3G]

But I'm not going to complaining if somehow the Iranian people get some freedom out of this. If that makes me a "warmonger" so be it. Getting called names on the Internet is nothing compared to what those people face.

Hasn't worked out for them historically, but I'm sure this will be the exception.

And Carney is awesome. This is exactly the type of measured reason and calm I voted for.

I mean, he could have... you know... not said anything at all, since his opinion is a pretty trivial one on the international stage? But just like Starmer, he always has to take every opportunity he can to suck up to Trump. This kind of politicking doesn't break the stereotype that we are merely an American vassal state. But I'm not sure why so many of our fellow countrymen thought that a banker would stand up to the most extreme neoliberal government in the world.