PM Justin Trudeau's Canada

[Richard White]

This new party is clearly hoping to fill the space of the old PC party

I was going to compare them to the Mulroney era PCs yesterday but it seemed a bit of a stretch.

In my opinion however, the original incarnation of the PCs from Mulroney and before were truly progressive.

Deapite being hamstrung in some cases like with Joe Clark and Brian Mulroney (Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords) they fought for Canadians.

When Preston Manning entered the stage in the 90s alongside Lucien Bouchard/Jacques Parizeau it changed the party. They went from being progressive to being GOP-Lite.

If the party actually manages to recreate the formal Federal PC Party values they could go a long way.

As I said before, I'm a lifelong NDP supporter but I'm intrigued by their platform thus far.

 

[Towered]

I was considering sitting the next election out because I'm incredibly frustrated by the main two parties. Neither are giving me reasons to vote for them.

As a classic centrist swing voter, I'm fully ready to embrace this fresh new party.

 

[picard102]

Yes and voting for Jill Stein will save america.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I don't have any issue with a centre-left party - I do have an issue with an incompetent centre-left party/party leader that had walked into mistake after mistake.

We already have a centrist party in Canada. It's the LPC. If this kind of platform holds broad appeal for centrists they would be better served to advance it through the LPC that undertaking a 20 year project to get a federal party to credibility. The LPC will be a husk once Trudeau leaves.

The problem is who's credible that's left at the LPC? There seems to be a systemic lack of competency. The party need to wander in the desert for awhile.

AoD

 

[Northern Light]

I was considering sitting the next election out because I'm incredibly frustrated by the main two parties. Neither are giving me reasons to vote for them.

As a classic centrist swing voter, I'm fully ready to embrace this fresh new party.

Being open to this is indeed fine, if not desirable...........but aside from waiting for a detailed platform (I read what they posted........its very short on specifics), @picard102 is correct in as much as if you lend this party your vote, for it not to be a waste, they need to be polling credibly both nationally and in your riding. If the winner in your riding is a foregone conclusion, for better or worse, then a vote that's a 'flyer' might be fine, but best to be certain you don't inadvertently elect or re-elect a worse option.

Yes and voting for Jill Stein will save america.

While I agree, as I note above that its important not to waste a vote, particularly if that results in a different/lesser election outcome than you would have liked to see, I would suggest its premature to dismiss that this party might be a credible option by the time October '25 rolls around. Certainly, that's a high mountain to climb; but given a lot of Canadians currently feeling that 'None of the Above' is a preferable choice to 'Any of the above'; if they are well funded, its not out of the question they could contend, its just too early to know.

The Greens who ought to have been a credible spoiler or partner to any other party have so shot themselves in the foot, again and again...........that there really does seem to be an opening.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I was considering sitting the next election out because I'm incredibly frustrated by the main two parties.

Me too. In my riding of Toronto Centre, if you want to have an impact against the Liberals you must vote NDP. When the Liberals lose the support of the Toronto Worker, umm Star you know they’re kippered.

Justin Trudeau’s government radically transformed Canada’s temporary foreign worker program. Young people and low wage workers are paying the price

 

[kEiThZ]

If the winner in your riding is a foregone conclusion, for better or worse, then a vote that's a 'flyer' might be fine, but best to be certain you don't inadvertently elect or re-elect a worse option.

This party is much more likely to take votes from the CPC than the LPC. It's why the CPC has come out so forcefully against it.

But also screw the guilting. I don't see the LPC with its insane wage suppression as substantially more virtuous than the CPC. And voting LPC to stop the CPC seems to than be interpreted by LPC partisans as license to do anything.

 

[Northern Light]

This party is much more likely to take votes from the CPC than the LPC. It's why the CPC has come out so forcefully against it.

But also screw the guilting. I don't see the LPC with its insane wage suppression as substantially more virtuous than the CPC. And voting LPC to stop the CPC seems to than be interpreted by LPC partisans as license to do anything.

At the moment, given their support for highly destructive policies over the last while, I certainly have no desire to support the LPC with its current leader, or senior leadership.

But neither am I comfortable supporting the Pollievre led CPC; Jagmeet's NDP hasn't particularly redeemed itself.........and the Greens have more drama than a dysfunctional high school for the arts.

What a terrible set of choices........from bad to worse to mediocre at best.

 

[kEiThZ]

There's a lot of terrible policies from the CPC. Like scrapping the CBC. And axing climate policy. On the other hand, they might return sanity to immigration policy. And that will at least take some pressure off housing and social services.

On the other hand, the Bank of Canada just explicitly said they don't trust the Liberal government to immigration cut targets and are planning monetary policy without the government's targets. That is unprecedented. So basically vote LPC and we'll get more of the status quo, which sucks.

Maslow's hierarchy says most people will prioritize shelter and wage growth over the survival of the CBC and climate policy. Leftists will be upset about this. Wish they'd direct their anger at the government in power instead of regularly trying to make excuses for them or trying to find scapegoats.

 

[PL1]

There's a lot of terrible policies from the CPC. Like scrapping the CBC. And axing climate policy. On the other hand, they might return sanity to immigration policy. And that will at least take some pressure off housing and social services.

On the other hand, the Bank of Canada just explicitly said they don't trust the Liberal government to immigration cut targets and are planning monetary policy without the government's targets. That is unprecedented. So basically vote LPC and we'll get more of the status quo, which sucks.

Maslow's hierarchy says most people will prioritize shelter and wage growth over the survival of the CBC and climate policy. Leftists will be upset about this. Wish they'd direct their anger at the government in power instead of regularly trying to make excuses for them or trying to find scapegoats.

They'll destroy the country but at least we'll have good levels of immigration?!?

There is zero chance of me supporting PP and CPC. I hate when people decide they want to punish a party and don't think about what they will be stuck with. I'm of the "you must vote" camp, and need to find someone least offensive.

This new party is set up for if/when the Libs tank in the next election.

What a mess.

 

[Johnny Au]

PP’s immigration policy would be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Make the country less attractive to immigrants and there are fewer immigrants.

The CPC is the party of self-destruction.

The Canadian Future Party is becoming seen as the “least worst” party, given how new this party is. The CFP would be my second-choice.

 

[kEiThZ]

The Canadian Future Party is becoming seen as the “least worst” party, given how new this party is. The CFP would be my second-choice.

First choice for me.

I don't want to endorse the climate change derniers.

But I also don't want to endorse the lot that wants to employ mass immigration as a culture war wedge to help make Galen Weston and Tim Hortons owners richer.

Nor do I want to endorse the supposedly socialist party that cares more about Gaza than they do about the quarter of Canadians who are living in poverty:

New report says 1 in 4 Canadians may be living in poverty - National | Globalnews.ca

The so-called 'material deprivation index' or MDI suggests nearly 25 per cent of Canadians fall under a poverty-level standard of living.

globalnews.ca

 

[kEiThZ]

I listened to the Herle Burly podcast today with Prof. Mike Moffat (housing policy expert and advocate) and Ron Butler (mortgage broker and housing advocate). They pointed all the policy failures that have led to the current situation and suggested we could be heading for Japan or Italy levels of birthrate with cities like Toronto having to build dormitories for teachers like San Francisco does because the middle class can't afford to live there. And the pointed out how much worse younger people have it today compared to Boomers or even Gen Z, something the Boomer host insinuated that a lot of Boomers are whining about (getting blamed). All in all, despite all their recommendations, the picture was bleak:

I hate the Boomers and the fact that every party caters to them. Even the guy that supposedly ran on his youth in 2015. And they've broken the situation so badly, it now sounds like we'll never recover.

 

[picard102]

They'll destroy the country but at least we'll have good levels of immigration?!?

But how will the LPC know people are big mad at them if they don't let the CPC ruin everything?

 

[goreckm]

I'm actually quite interested in how the CPC will actually "solve" immigration. Yes, they are full of nativists, but the party is beholden to big business which won't want the gravy train to end. They're definitely creating a trap for themselves. My guess would be more secrecy and obfuscation about the TFW, probably making the lives of those that come more miserable, cracking down more on refugees instead of TFWs, possibly deny entry for individuals from certain countries for the red meat, instead of any substantive changes that will improve the lives of Canadians. Populists thrive when people are angry, so they're not going to cut off the source of anger, just deflect blame.