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PM Justin Trudeau's Canada

The next election seems it will be a two-way race.

I think Tories and LIberals will get a total of 75% to 80% of the votes as the next election pretty much is "Trudeau is great, long shall he Reign" vs "he sucks and is bad!"

Personally think Trudeau is not that well liked but has a loyal base and the Tory leader does not really appeal to a wide group of people.
 
BurlOak said:
SHOCKER: WHY JODY WILSON-RAYBOULD WAS KNIFED BY JUSTIN TRUDEAU
Is Justin Trudeau’s PMO corrupt?
And did they punish the first female indigenous leader for refusing to go along with a dirty deal for their cronies?
This Globe and Mail story strongly suggests the answer is yes, to both questions. If true, this is corruption at the very highest levels of the federal government.
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I do agree that this 'looks' bad; and may well prove to be bad.

I'm not sure if it technically meets the definition of corruption which as I understand it would be misconduct for private gain.........

But no matter, if true, this is entirely unacceptable, and to my mind would fairly require the resignation of those involved, and quite possibly, the laying of criminal charges. (obstruction of justice)

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-139.html
 
Definitely not a good look for the Liberals no matter how you slice it.
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The Liberal government changed the criminal code last year by slipping criminal remediation agreements (only can be used by corporations, not individuals) into the budget bill last year. PMO tried to push DOJ into giving SNC-Lavalin a criminal remediation slap-on-the-wrist, then shuffled the Justice Minister out when she didn't play ball.

Justin Trudeau's government literally changed the criminal code to give a large corporation a break from their crimes of money laundering for the Ghadaffi's.
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Transparency and fair governance? Seems like the Liberals haven't changed at all from their old ways. Another interesting incidence alongside this- the sudden resignation of Scott Brison.

From the Globe:

PMO pressed Wilson-Raybould to abandon prosecution of SNC-Lavalin; Trudeau denies his office ‘directed’ her
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office attempted to press Jody Wilson-Raybould when she was justice minister to intervene in the corruption and fraud prosecution of Montreal engineering and construction giant SNC-Lavalin Group Inc., sources say, but she refused to ask federal prosecutors to make a deal with the company that could prevent a costly trial.

SNC-Lavalin has sought to avoid a criminal trial on fraud and corruption charges stemming from an RCMP investigation into its business dealings in Libya. Prosecutors alleged in February, 2015, that SNC paid millions of dollars in bribes to public officials in Libya between 2001 and 2011 to secure government contracts. The engineering company says executives who were responsible for the wrongdoing have left the company, and it has reformed ethics and compliance rules.
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After the charges, SNC-Lavalin lobbied officials in Ottawa, including senior members in the office of Mr. Trudeau, to secure a deal known as a “deferred prosecution agreement” or “remediation agreement” that would set aside the prosecution. In such deals, which are used in the United States and Britain, a company would accept responsibility for the wrongdoing and pay a financial penalty, relinquish benefits gained from the wrongdoing and put in place compliance measures. “It is unfair that the actions of one or more rogue employees should tarnish a company’s reputation, as well as jeopardize its future success and its employees’ livelihoods,” SNC argued in a brief to federal officials in October, 2017.
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But in October, 2018, SNC-Lavalin hit a major obstacle. The federal director of public prosecutions refused to negotiate a remediation agreement that would have resolved the Libyan fraud and corruption charges without prosecution. SNC-Lavalin has asked for a judicial review of the decision, citing “the extremely negative consequences the underlying legal proceedings have had and will continue to have [even in the event of an acquittal] on [SNC] and innocent stakeholders, including employees, suppliers, pensioners and stakeholders, in the absence of an invitation to negotiate.”
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Sources say Ms. Wilson-Raybould, who was justice minister and attorney-general until she was shuffled to Veterans Affairs early this year, came under heavy pressure to persuade the Public Prosecution Service of Canada to change its mind.
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On Thursday at a transit-related appearance in Vaughan, Ont., Mr. Trudeau further denied that senior officials in the PMO “directed” Ms. Wilson-Raybould in her previous roles to intervene in the SNC-Lavalin case, but he would not say whether they tried to influence her to abandon a prosecution and trial of the Montreal corporate giant.
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SNC-Lavalin, Canada’s largest engineering and construction management company, is one of Quebec’s biggest corporations and has a reputation for holding political sway in Quebec City and Ottawa.

One well-connected Liberal with close ties to SNC-Lavalin said Ms. Wilson-Raybould “blew off the PMO” requests. The company had told the government it was in dire circumstances and required a suspension of criminal charges to ensure it continued on a solid footing.
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The Trudeau government in 2018 amended the Criminal Code to allow deferred-prosecution agreements that let prosecutors suspend criminal charges against Canadian companies found to have committed wrongdoing. The measure was inserted in the 2018 budget after a brief consultation in 2017.
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Liberal insiders said Ms. Wilson-Raybound knew this legislative change was meant to help SNC-Lavalin out of the legal troubles that were weighing on the price of its shares. A conviction on the fraud and corruption charges could result in a 10-year ban from federal government contracts – a development that would lead to layoffs.
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Since the beginning of 2017, representatives of SNC-Lavalin met with federal government officials and parliamentarians more than 50 times on the topic of “justice” and “law enforcement," according to the federal lobbyists registry. This includes 14 visits with people in the PMO. Those they met included Gerald Butts, principal secretary to the Prime Minister, and Mathieu Bouchard, Mr. Trudeau’s senior adviser on Quebec – whom they met 12 times. Mr. Trudeau’s senior policy adviser, Elder Marques, also met with company representatives.
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Sources at SNC-Lavalin told The Globe the PMO was furious with the justice minister’s intransigence on the remediation agreement and that the company was pleased to see her moved out of the portfolio.
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After the cabinet shuffle, Ms. Wilson-Raybould released a lengthy statement listing her legislative accomplishments during her tenure at Justice. In an unusual move for a member of cabinet, she also underlined the need for independence in the portfolio.
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...nister-to-abandon-prosecution-of-snc-lavalin/

A reminder:
Canadians may never know the details of an elaborate scheme orchestrated by engineering giant SNC Lavalin to funnel more than $117,000 to two federal political parties after one of the key players quietly pleaded guilty a few weeks ago.
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The vast majority of the money contributed between 2004 and 2011 went to the federal Liberal Party. According to a 2016 compliance agreement with SNC Lavalin, the Liberal Party of Canada received $83,534 while various Liberal riding associations received $13,552.
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Guy Caron, parliamentary leader for the New Democratic Party, drew a link between the allegations and illegal political donations the company has made in the past.

"SNC-Lavalin illegally gave more than $110,000 to the Liberal Party and its (riding) associations. Today, SNC-Lavalin needs a helping hand because they are in trouble," Caron said, pointing out that the company had lobbied the government more than 50 times in the past two years.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-financing-snclavalin-charbonneau-1.4984823
 
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Northern Light said:
But.....

Mr. Guaido may be of concern as well.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-m...oratory-created-venezuela-coup-leader/254387/

I should add I have other sources that support the evidence above.

I'll further note that this source has an obviously political slant, but its 'facts' seem to be verifiable.
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This is slander.

Mr. Guaido is well known among the opposition in Venezuela. He has arisen from a youth student leader to taking over Leopoldo Lopez' party when Lopez was illegally incarcerated by the dictatorship. He's essentially, spent his entire adulthood fighting the regime, and is a known and genuine quantity among the other opposition parties and among the people, hence why support coalesced around him to caretaker this transition back to democracy.

The left has been trying to link Lopez' party to the CIA for years, especially after Lopez was imprisoned, in order to justify the actions of their tinpot socialist dictator imprisoning political opposition leaders. Guiado is obviously guilty by association.

Why? Because obviously everything has to be about America. We wouldn't want to give these pesky 3rd world peoples any agency to make their own decisions and support their own political parties. If Leopoldo Lopez' party is popular among the people, that is obviously due to the devil work of the CIA.

But this is all a digression from Canadian politics. Trudeau has done the right thing and supported Guaido. If Trudeau II was smart, he'd offer aid, especially food, to the Venezuelan people.
 
WislaHD said:
This is slander.

Mr. Guaido is well known among the opposition in Venezuela. He has arisen from a youth student leader to taking over Leopoldo Lopez' party when Lopez was illegally incarcerated by the dictatorship. He's essentially, spent his entire adulthood fighting the regime, and is a known and genuine quantity among the other opposition parties and among the people, hence why support coalesced around him to caretaker this transition back to democracy.

The left has been trying to link Lopez' party to the CIA for years, especially after Lopez was imprisoned, in order to justify the actions of their tinpot socialist dictator imprisoning political opposition leaders. Guiado is obviously guilty by association.

Why? Because obviously everything has to be about America. We wouldn't want to give these pesky 3rd world peoples any agency to make their own decisions and support their own political parties. If Leopoldo Lopez' party is popular among the people, that is obviously due to the devil work of the CIA.

But this is all a digression from Canadian politics. Trudeau has done the right thing and supported Guaido. If Trudeau II was smart, he'd offer aid, especially food, to the Venezuelan people.
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I trust you are meaning the report/link is slander, since I believe my statements were appropriately conditional.

I have never been to Venezuela.

I am no expert in its politics.

I am no fan of its current leader.

That said, the United States certainly does have a history of meddling in the affairs of other countries. I would describe such activities as well known, and ubiquitous.

The allegation of some involvement here is not so much a stretch as not to be worthy of further examination.

Perhaps, in this case it is either wrong, exaggerated or justified.

I take it you are much more familiar w/the situation than I and would not argue the point.
 
Northern Light said:
I trust you are meaning the report/link is slander, since I believe my statements were appropriately conditional.
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Yes, this is what I meant, not intended to be directed at you.

I'm just frustrated to see the Left constantly try to make justifications for the complete disaster that is Venezuela. It is inexcusable from a morality perspective. If Venezuela was so great, those leftists should try living there, or at least try explaining how great Venezuela is to the some 3 million people who have fled the country in the past 5 years.

I have lived there for a few years and let me tell you. When I returned to Canada, I returned with a much greater respect and admiration for Canadian society, government, laws, and economy than when I had left.

I think, what should be stated is, even if the United States did have a role in meddling in Venezuelan affairs, it would be welcomed by the people. The situation has been so desperate, for a number of years already, that most Venezuelans are wondering why the international community hasn't stepped in at one of the many points down the line to this state of tyranny.
 
Venezuela is only going to shit because of the trade embargo.

I'm dying though watching Liberals support Guaido's illegitimate claims to power in the name of 'democracy'.

Honestly I'm sick of neoliberalism. Or as I like to call them now, fake progressives. Trudeau belongs in this camp.
 
WislaHD said:
, even if the United States did have a role in meddling in Venezuelan affairs, it would be welcomed by the people. The situation has been so desperate, for a number of years already, that most Venezuelans are wondering why the international community hasn't stepped in at one of the many points down the line to this state of tyranny.
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The international community, the US and Canada don’t give a fig for Venezuela, nor should they. If Venezuela, with massive oil resources, decades of thumbing it to the west including seizing US and western subsidiary firms and their assets, can’t get and keep their sh#t in order it’s not up to USA, Canada or anyone else to help them. We have our own issues at home to deal with; poverty, health care, indigenous rights, resource development and transport, economic development, climate change, etc, etc. Venezuela, fix your own house. Now, back to Trudeau and Canadian politics thank you.
 
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Admiral Beez said:
The international community, the US and Canada don’t give a fig for Venezuela, nor should they. If Venezuela, with massive oil resources, decades of thumbing it to the west including seizing US and western subsidiary firms and their assets, can’t get and keep their sh#t in order it’s not up to USA, Canada or anyone else to help them. We have our own issues at home to deal with; poverty, health care, indigenous rights, resource development and transport, economic development, climate change, etc, etc. Venezuela, fix your own house. Now, back to Trudeau and Canadian politics thank you.
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Guess which immigrant group is working the oil fields in Alberta.

You can't have multiculturalism and at the same time ignore the rest of the planet. Nor would I say it is in Canada's greatest interest to have a de-stabilizing situation in its own hemisphere.

As for Canadian politics, let us remember that we do have a history in the region. It was only a decade ago when Canada under Harper helped lead a coup in Honduras to protect the mining rights of Canadian companies.
 
WislaHD said:
Guess which immigrant group is working the oil fields in Alberta.

You can't have multiculturalism and at the same time ignore the rest of the planet. Nor would I say it is in Canada's greatest interest to have a de-stabilizing situation in its own hemisphere.
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Global de-stabilization has been to Canada’s benefit. We wouldn’t have Venezuela’s best petrochemical workers if their own country hadn’t gone to hell. Same for the Ukrainians, Poles, Indians, Syrians and my fellow Brits. We all came to Canada because of the economic or political crap houses our home countries had become. So, the world’s instability has been a net benefit to Canada.

We have no interest in repairing Venezuela and creating a renewed competitor to Canada on the global petroleum market.
Crude oil prices rise amid renewed Venezuela concerns
https://www.upi.com/Energy-News/201...mid-renewed-Venezuela-concerns/2461548772023/
 
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I saw a clip of Scheer on CP24 and the one thing that stood out is how bland he was. I didn't see any personality and his lines were forced. It reminded me of why I voted CPC three times due to a bad Liberal leader.
 
Videodrome said:
I saw a clip of Scheer on CP24 and the one thing that stood out is how bland he was. I didn't see any personality and his lines were forced. It reminded me of why I voted CPC three times due to a bad Liberal leader.
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I remember when Leafs fans thought Mats Sundin was a terrible player and leader because he did not show emotion. I believe these people thought Tie Domi was the best player on the team.
Others were not so foolish.
 
jje1000 said:
Definitely not a good look for the Liberals no matter how you slice it.

Transparency and fair governance? Seems like the Liberals haven't changed at all from their old ways. Another interesting incidence alongside this- the sudden resignation of Scott Brison.

From the Globe:













https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...nister-to-abandon-prosecution-of-snc-lavalin/

A reminder:



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-financing-snclavalin-charbonneau-1.4984823
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Another example.

Alleged political interference in Mark Norman case ‘more concerning’ than SNC-Lavalin accusations: defence
The globe article is even worse.
Vice-Admiral Mark Norman’s pretrial judge questions independence of public prosecution service
Here they clarify it was the judge who mentioned political interference, not just the defence.
The theory I heard is that the Liberals realize they are so guilty and that the dirt will destroy them when it goes to trial (which would be during the campaign), so they are hoping the judge throws out the entire case and then it's just a simple matter of giving Millions of taxpayer dollars to Vice Admiral Norman to pay for damages, legal fees, etc. - which would occur after the election.
 
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