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November 2020 US Election

My worst fear is that Trump wins in November and abolishes term limits on the presidency.

Unlikely, that is governed by the 22nd amendment to the US constitution. He would have to have that pass Congress and 38 state legislatures.

Trump: ...but FDR had three terms! Why can't I?

FDR got a 4th term; that's what inspired the 22nd Amendment.
 
Trump steel tariffs bring job losses to swing state Michigan

October 9, 2020

President Donald Trump promised a new dawn for the struggling U.S. steel industry in 2016, and the lure of new jobs in Midwestern states including Michigan helped him eke out a surprise election win.

Four years later, Great Lakes Works - once among the state's largest steel plants - has shut down steelmaking operations and put 1,250 workers out of a job. A year before the June layoffs, plant owner United States Steel Corp called off a plan to invest $600 million in upgrades amid deteriorating market conditions.

Trump's strategy centered on shielding U.S. steel mills from foreign competition with a 25% tariff imposed in March 2018. He also promised to boost steel demand through major investments in roads, bridges and other infrastructure.

But higher steel prices resulting from the tariffs dented demand from the Michigan-based U.S. auto industry and other steel consumers. And the Trump administration has never followed through on an infrastructure plan.

Michigan's heavy reliance on the steel and auto industries puts Trump's trade policy in sharp focus ahead of the Nov. 3 presidential election in this battleground state. Democrats say they aim to recapture the votes of blue-collar workers they lost to Trump four years ago - one key factor in his victory over Hillary Clinton. Trump won Michigan by less than one percent of the statewide vote total. The competition for the votes of often-unionized manufacturing workers - who historically have voted Democratic - will be just as fierce in the battleground states of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, political analysts say.

Biden leads Trump in Michigan by 8 percentage points, according to a Reuters/Ipsos state opinion poll of likely voters conducted from Sept. 29 - Oct. 6, widening his lead from a few weeks earlier.

 
So I got to thinking...

No matter what happens, if Trump loses he will claim the election was rigged and full of fraud. Should this happen, what do people here think the number would be for the GOP to abandon Trump and support a peaceful transition of power.

There will obviously be a certain percentage of the popular vote or number of won electoral college votes where the GOP says that it's definitely over for Trump.
 
It is looking like we are heading for a Biden blowout, which hopefully forestalls the attempts to contest the election. But it can't be the standard that Democrats need to win by massive margins to be legitimate while republicans can barely squeak out a technical win while losing the popular vote by large margins and still be considered legitimate.
 
It is looking like we are heading for a Biden blowout, which hopefully forestalls the attempts to contest the election. But it can't be the standard that Democrats need to win by massive margins to be legitimate while republicans can barely squeak out a technical win while losing the popular vote by large margins and still be considered legitimate.

Be careful. Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 election and still lost, because of the US electoral college. People didn't vote in some states because they thought they didn't need to vote based on the polling done before the election.
 
I don't think we need to worry about the same effect here. There is a lot less triumphalism from the Biden camp than Hillary and the media is still treating Trump as a contender. Importantly, he keeps on insisting that he is going to win.
 
It is looking like we are heading for a Biden blowout, which hopefully forestalls the attempts to contest the election. But it can't be the standard that Democrats need to win by massive margins to be legitimate while republicans can barely squeak out a technical win while losing the popular vote by large margins and still be considered legitimate.

I don't think it will be a blow out for Biden.
 

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