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Admiral Beez said:
This is nuts. Meanwhile in my circle I don’t know anyone first hand who’s tested positive.
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Why is it nuts? From your posts you seem to be a middle aged married man living in Cabbagetown who lives in a house and can work from home.. Most cases of covid are now being found in people who live in crowded multi-generational homes or (more often) apartments and who work (or live with someone who works) in a place with lots of other people who must (or do) work in fairly close proximity. I also do not know anyone here who has tested positive but I do have two former colleagues who died, in Quebec in LTC homes. We are lucky, many others are not and they are the people who provide essential services and keep Amazon and Canada Post running so we can keep ordering online. It's not nuts, it's sad and perfectly predictable.

PS Having posted the above, I just read: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ld-change-about-housing-in-years-to-come.html
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Not quite, Salk didn't patent his vaccine.

AoD
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From Wikipedia:

When Murrow asked him, "Who owns this patent?", Salk replied, "Well, the people I would say. There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?" The vaccine is calculated to be worth $7 billion had it been patented.
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Jonas Salk - Wikipedia

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To me this typifies the best of humanity and the right attitude towards patents.

Just as Best/Banting did w/Insulin.

The idea that science is for the common good; not profit.

I'm not opposed to capitalism at all.

But patents by definition are the antithesis of the free market as they preclude competition in production.

I won't say there should be no patents ever; but I really would like to see far fewer and a rollback in length to a maximum of 10 years; and then only if that is justified to recover the cost of research/trials etc.
 
DSC said:
Why is it nuts?
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It‘s nuts because we shouldn’t be in this situation, we knew this third wave was coming but the Ontario government and for their part the Feds did nothing to prepare for it. As you say, it was entirely predictable. Why are we doing work place vaccinations only now? This should have occurred in February and March. I mention my own situation only for context of this current wave, why was I and other wfh folks vaccinated and not some factory worker in Peel? Over the entirety of Covid I have people who’ve tested positive, and my uncle-in-law died of Covid before Christmas, but in 2020 thus far my circle is dodging Covid so far. To me it’s nuts how we did nothing to prepare.

As for the Feds, they should have hard closed the airports and walk-in border crossings in March or earlier, no more fuzzy definitions of essential travel. No one should have been able to get in from India or any hotspot, pre-flight test or not, including flights or overland transiting through non-hotspots. Your uncle is sick or parents died overseas, too bad, we have a nation to protect and the greater good must prevail. We’re essentially at war here.
 
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Admiral Beez said:
It‘s nuts because we shouldn’t be in this situation, we knew this third wave was coming but the Ontario government and for their part the Feds did nothing to prepare for it. As you say, it was entirely predictable. Why are we doing work place vaccinations only now? This should have occurred in February and March. I mention my own situation only for context of this current wave, why was I and other wfh folks vaccinated and not some factory worker in Peel? Over the entirety of Covid I have people who’ve tested positive, and my uncle-in-law died of Covid before Christmas, but in 2020 thus far my circle is dodging Covid so far. To me it’s nuts how we did nothing to prepare.

As for the Feds, they should have hard closed the airports and walk-in border crossings in March or earlier, no more fuzzy definitions of essential travel. No one should have been able to get in from India or any hotspot, pre-flight test or not, including flights or overland transiting through non-hotspots. Your uncle is sick or parents died overseas, too bad, we have a nation to protect and the greater good must prevail. We’re essentially at war here.
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I generally agree. Yet, yesterday, my husband drove to Pittsburgh to care for his ailing 88-year-old mother, who has no other children. He crossed the border with his American passport as if nothing was happening; there are no restrictions. However, when he returns with his Canadian passport, he will have to show a negative COVID test, and undergo another test on the day of arrival and a third one 8 days later, on top of a 14-day quarantine. He got his first Pfizer vaccine three weeks ago, and he will get the second one in PA before he returns, instead of waiting three more months here in Canada.
 
Bayer said:
I generally agree. Yet, yesterday, my husband drove to Pittsburgh to care for his ailing 88-year-old mother, who has no other children. He crossed the border with his American passport as if nothing was happening; there are no restrictions. However, when he returns with his Canadian passport, he will have to show a negative COVID test, and undergo another test on the day of arrival and a third one 8 days later, on top of a 14-day quarantine. He got his first Pfizer vaccine three weeks ago, and he will get the second one in PA before he returns, instead of waiting three more months here in Canada.
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He sounds like a reasonable chap. I wonder how that tracks with OHIP, since they’ll show your husband with only on one shot?
 
Admiral Beez said:
He sounds like a reasonable chap. I wonder how that tracks with OHIP, since they’ll show your husband with only on one shot?
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Most will issue a receipt showing that you have had a shot of some sort. That's why I scanned (AKA photographed) my receipt into my smartphone, and kept the original in a safe place.
 
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They have always said it isn’t effective until two weeks, and all of those people were infected before the vaccine would have been fully effective.
 
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Ontario reported 3,732 new COVID-19 cases and 23 additional deaths on Sunday.

Certainly case number (on a 7-day average) are not falling by much.

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Partially vaccinating should do a lot to curb transmission and ease pressure on hospitals, but it is not a reason to ease distancing yet. I think that is more a function of the number of active cases you might be exposed to.
 
afransen said:
Partially vaccinating should do a lot to curb transmission and ease pressure on hospitals, but it is not a reason to ease distancing yet. I think that is more a function of the number of active cases you might be exposed to.
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Even a double dose isn’t sufficient reason until the numbers are down. That said, I’m feeling safer now that I’ve had one shot, and will now patiently wait the 12-13 weeks for shot #2.
 
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