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scarberiankhatru
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I can...*streetcars*
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Bogtrotter
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"Montreal makes Virgin Vacation's top 11 subway systems world wide.
www.virgin-vacations.com/...-world.asp "
Aside from size and coverage, they seem to be basing their selection a lot on aesthetics/ uniqueness of the stations. In this regard I'm not surprised that Montreal made the list. It would be nice if TO had at least one or two stations that were magnificant in some way- perhaps at Union or Y/B?
www.virgin-vacations.com/...-world.asp "
Aside from size and coverage, they seem to be basing their selection a lot on aesthetics/ uniqueness of the stations. In this regard I'm not surprised that Montreal made the list. It would be nice if TO had at least one or two stations that were magnificant in some way- perhaps at Union or Y/B?
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samsonyuen
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It does seem Montreal made the list (and Toronto didn't) due to its architectural uniqueness. As a tourist, I understand that. However, as a daily rider, I would much prefer function over fashion.
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AlchemisTO
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San Fran's transit system is pretty lousy for what is basically the second most urban/densely populated city in the US. Meanwhile, BART extends its tendrils deeper and deeper into suburbia. It's ridiculous that suburbanites in Dublin/Pleasanton or Pittsburg/Bay Point can make it to Union square about as fast as someone living in the Outer Sunset district of the city taking a trolley bus. This reminds me of the Vaughan extension of the YUS, where someone living in the Beaches would spend as much time on a streetcar getting to City Hall as someone who lived at Hwy 7 and Jane taking the subway.
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Darkstar416
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Good point Alchemis! Too many cities (in North America) have lost the plot on where subways should be built. Basically, everything has become way too political and since the suburbs are now where it counts in politics, that's where we now find the new extensions, warranted or not.
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scarberiankhatru
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If they insist on extending the subway to York U, it makes much more sense to extend it to Vaughan, saving Toronto money and attracting more riders. But, yeah, ideally, there's a dozen better places for it.
Is it me or do Montreal's subways close too early?
Is it me or do Montreal's subways close too early?
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Darkstar416
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Most cities subways close too early. It's not just you.
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unimaginative2
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I find that some subways that close early often have quite early opening hours. When they open at 4am, it sometimes makes sense to just stay out a little bit longer and catch the first train.
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socialwoe
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I think it's more because if compared by area per square kilometres covered, Montreal's Metro covers more of it's city than Toronto's system does. It's about land area served too you know. Even by contrast their Blue Line, comparative to Sheppard, outbeats us. While most of our stations are generic redundancies the Spadina Line is very impressive in it's own right, if you have a fetish for dark pastels and weird onion-thingees :lol !
Dismally disgraceful reality, a part of me dies just thinking about it
!If suburbia where's it at, why not recognize Scarborough-we're still about 20 stations short over there, Sheppard subway nonwithstanding?
Seriously, you don't think inner-416 ridership wouldn't go up with extensions along Queen, DRL, Eglinton or Sheppard? I don't think the VCC will attract that many more people until the eventual development around Jane/7 occurs way off, but, yeah, much like you I'd extend the wretched thing to hell and back if it only costs us one-sixth!
Who cares! It's hard to maintain 24/7 service and besides what kind of people need to ride past 2 a.m. anyway? Blue Night's very efficient and if wait-times were reduced to every 15 mins as opposed to thirty, I don't see what's the problem.
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Long Island Mike
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Everyone: Good Montreal photos here! AMT is expanding a neat system that is reaching its 40th year. The only problem is that this system is expensive to construct but knowing MTL it will be well used. If you build it the riders do come! LI MIKE
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unimaginative2
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It's actually quite inexpensive to construct. Didn't this extension cost well under a billion, and that was with cost overruns. The TTC claims a similar-length extension would cost at least twice that amount here.
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isaidsoTNR
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Montreal has mastered the art of concrete. They use it like no other city I've ever seen. Olympic Stadium, highway system interchanges, various office complexes, and the subway.
The spacious cavernous Montreal subway stations are spectacular and inviting. Toronto's stations leave you feeling cramped and confined. I'm sure cost was an issue in Toronto, but the result is you really feel like a gerbil in a tunnel in Toronto subway stations.
The spacious cavernous Montreal subway stations are spectacular and inviting. Toronto's stations leave you feeling cramped and confined. I'm sure cost was an issue in Toronto, but the result is you really feel like a gerbil in a tunnel in Toronto subway stations.
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adma
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Ah, but given the nature of some of that mastery (esp. Olympic Stadium and the interchanges), some Montrealers would call it a mixed blessing--unless you're wishing for the second coming of Drapeau-type leadership...
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simply Dan
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Ah... Toronto is certainly no stranger to concrete itself... Skydome, CN Tower, Robarts Library, Ryerson University, York University, Pearson original T1 and T2, Yorkdale Mall, hundreds of slab apartment buildings, etc. etc. Is it because concrete is ideal in the sometimes harsh Canadian climate, or simply because it was the material du jour for several post-war decades? Montreal just uses concrete in a perhaps grander style when compared with similar projects here.
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unimaginative2
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I don't even know if cost is that much of an obstacle to those kinds of cavernous stations in Toronto. It just seems to be a design preference for the in-house "architects" (a.k.a. engineers) at the TTC. There's no reason why they couldn't just open the roof up from the platform level below into the giant mezannines above at all the new stations.