afransen
Senior Member
Elevated is a way to build rapid transit cost effectively, but it won't get off the ground (pardon the pun) if it is needlessly visually obtrusive.
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Metrolinx: Sheppard East LRT (In Design)
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Undead
Senior Member
Whenever someone claims elevated is too visually intrusive, I wonder if it's any worse than the 6-lane traffic sewers (edit to add: and massive suburban plazas plus parking lots) we have all over the place. Just design and streetscape it properly.
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ARG1
Senior Member
You act as if elevated heavy rail hasn't changed since the early 1900s, and still looks like the Chicago L
micheal_can
Senior Member
If we think of what looks more pleasing, something that does not have a centenary would be more pleasing. The existing line has 3rd rail, and would be more pleasing to see.
afransen
Senior Member
Catenary or third rail is a side topic. Light metro rolling stock can use third rail as well. Catenary is cheaper, however, and more reliable in snow/ice.
micheal_can
Senior Member
So, maybe we keep the existing subway infrastructure in place, and simply find a better vehicle.
cplchanb
Senior Member
it would be meaningless whatever mercedes level train you get if the third rail is frozen over. Just look how many frozen days the SRT has annually
micheal_can
Senior Member
What about lines 1 and 2 on their open air section?
cplchanb
Senior Member
they still have their off days and its only for partial sections of the entire line. Having an entire line be exposed is a different story.
JasonParis
Moderator
NYC too. Even at their most complex interchange station, Times Square-42nd Street, there are some incredibly long walks between certain lines.
Allandale25
Senior Member
north-of-anything
Active Member
They're going to have to accept it, unless they want a tax hike to pay for the extension. There's only so much money that's being budgeted towards transit expansion...
turini2
Active Member
It's not just a money problem, there's probably not enough planning, design and construction workers to built everything all at once! Well, not if you don't want to delay projects/drive the cost up hugely. If it's going to be a subway, there's time to get planning and design underway once Ontario/Scarborough is under construction.
As an example - here in the UK, any half decent project manager who's worked in rail construction is going to go work for the contractors building HS2 (the £100bn ish north-south High Speed Rail project here in the UK)!
As an example - here in the UK, any half decent project manager who's worked in rail construction is going to go work for the contractors building HS2 (the £100bn ish north-south High Speed Rail project here in the UK)!
Steve X
Senior Member
The question is what about the existing tax hike that every TO property owner has been paying since the Rob Ford era for the SSE? Doug Ford told TO to keep the money for something else while Queen's Park foots the bill.
That money is more likely going towards the EELRT. I don't think TO would be happy if the added another levy for Scarborough cause they decided they'll just fight for a subway on Sheppard too meanwhile the Finch West LRT is productively being constructed.
micheal_can
Senior Member
There is a severe shortage of skilled trades workers in Canada. If they took half of the people who got an arts degree and put them through a trades apprenticeship not only would they be making more money, but there still would be a demand.