M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Maybe an actual Transit City line in action would be necessary to make people more in favour of it to build more, like on Sheppard.
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Metrolinx: Sheppard East LRT (In Design)
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11th
Senior Member
Have to wait for Finch West then. Eglinton doesn't exactly count as an actual Transit City line, even though technically it is.
nfitz
Superstar
I'm not sure I see much difference between surface at-grade transit on Finch West in Etobiocke and surface at-grade transit on Eglinton East in Scarborough.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
There isn't.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
They could extend the subway to Victoria Park in the mean time.
11th
Senior Member
If you're treating the at-grade in-median section as a separate line, sure. But as a whole, the Crosstown line is not a good representation of what will be built on other planned LRT routes.
nfitz
Superstar
If your standing at the corner of Warden and Eglinton, compared to Warden and Sheppard, how is the LRT going to look that different? The Eglinton line in Scarborough is an excellent representation of what will be built on other planned LRT routes. There's about 6 km at surface with traffic lights, etc. It's very comparable to the 11 km LRT on Finch.
11th
Senior Member
I think you missed my point on the "crosstown line as a whole", not just the at-grade section; but we are both correct on our points.
Finch West will be the first line with no significant grade-separated section along its route, and that's what Sheppard would've gotten (excluding the short tunnel going under 404).
nfitz
Superstar
No, your premise above is that the Eglinton line doesn't count as a Transit City line, and we have to wait for Finch West to see in action.
I 100% disagree. The 6 km of the Eglinton line in Scarbroough is the same.
11th
Senior Member
I said nothing about it being a "Transit City line" or not, because it is. The 6 km of the Eglinton line in Scarbroough is the same. I'll give you that. But the 10km or so tunneled section is not. The last time I checked Crosstown LRT includes BOTH sections. Eglinton Crosstown has always been the special line in the original Transit City plan because of its long grade-separated section. There's no denial to that.
Let's move on from this definition jumble. How would you improve on the existing plan?
nfitz
Superstar
Okay.
I'm tired of the last decade improving the existing plan, rather than building it.
As far as I can tell, the existing plan is to propose something be built 5 years from now - and every 4 years come up with a new plan.
Anything would be better than the nothing that Scarborough is getting.
11th
Senior Member
Sorry if I forgot to add "in my opinion" at the end - thought the "actual" was enough of a keyword to indicate it was just my opinion of it. My apology if that offended your definition of Transit City in any way.
Although, they did nothing in the past decade. Not improvements to the plan, whatsoever. It has always been two polar opposite plans battling out against each other with no middle compromises at all...
nfitz
Superstar
Sure they have. 10 years ago - in 2005 - the plan was to extend the Sheppard subway to Scarborough Centre. Confirmed by council during the first Miller administration. There had been no LRT plan at that time.
Since then, we've had various iterations of
- LRT to Meadowvavale
- LRT to Morningside
- LRT to Universtiy of Toronto Scarborough
- Subway to Scarborough Centre
With completion dates of 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021 ... and now no earlier than 2025.
And that's not including the permutation about what the line intersects (subway at McCowan, subway at Markham, LRT at Markham, LRT at Markham AND Morningside.
Just because the plan is unchanged from 2007 to now, doesn't mean nothing has been done!
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Here's an interesting piece from Metro:
http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1371682/could-the-finch-lrt-reshape-the-sheppard-transit-debate/
It echoes a lot about what has been said before:
1. New subways won't be very helpful to Scarborough commuters, since such a small percentage of them commute to destinations that connect to the subway, while a majority stay within Scarborough.
2. There aren't any magical subway corridors that we haven't discovered yet. Toronto's subway network will soon be fully built out
3. We really need to put a focus on improving bus operations in Scarborough.
http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1371682/could-the-finch-lrt-reshape-the-sheppard-transit-debate/
It echoes a lot about what has been said before:
1. New subways won't be very helpful to Scarborough commuters, since such a small percentage of them commute to destinations that connect to the subway, while a majority stay within Scarborough.
2. There aren't any magical subway corridors that we haven't discovered yet. Toronto's subway network will soon be fully built out
3. We really need to put a focus on improving bus operations in Scarborough.
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
It's unlikely the subway fanatics will listen. It's hard to change one's view with facts.
I agree with improving bus service in Scarborough. The service is abysmal.
I agree with improving bus service in Scarborough. The service is abysmal.