Catenary
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I find Presto lags more than other similar systems, in that it takes a second or two for the reader to read the card. I don't think it's a major issue though.
A question to anyone that might know. The Presto readers in buses/streetcars, are they stand-alone units? That is, are they just mounted and given a power-source? Or is there a data connection from the reader to another processor or antenna or something? Just curious as to whether it's that difficult to install them on the current (old) streetcars, and if they can be easily removed and placed on other vehicles once the streetcars are retired.
In Ottawa, which has Gen 2 Presto, the readers are just mounted on the vertical hand rail at the rear entrances, and on a horizontal bar on the front. I'm not sure how the connection works, whether it's inside the pole or if it's battery powered or what, but there are no visible cables connecting to it.
Yes, the readers in Ottawa are faster, and identical to the type fitted on the new streetcars and shown on the turnstile in the drawing, the Scheidt & Bachmann FareGo Val OV|40. There is no need to wait for the reader to reset to the ready screen, the next card can be tapped I believe as soon as the light goes out. The ones on the new streetcar have a slightly different display, and a different sticker in the "Tap Zone" showing the new card orientation (landscape) while Ottawa's readers still have the old portrait card shown.
I've been on buses in Ottawa that were wired for the PRESTO readers but not installed yet. The connection is a simple 2 wire power connection, along with a standard Ethernet connection. In Ottawa this connection runs to the existing on-board LAN, and the readers are integrated into the existing Clever Devices touchscreen for driver control. The screen shows the fare class of the person who has tapped at the front of the bus, allows the driver to set the fare class (express or regular) or disable the readers, as well as processing companion fares. The screen does not show the fare class of the persons tapping on at the back doors of articulated or double decker buses.
It should be pretty simple to swap Presto readers between buses and streetcars; there were plenty of buses that were nearing their due date for retirement in the 905 fitted with Presto machines.
Although the customer-facing machines are all of a similar type and are likely reusable between situations, the exact installation will depend on the features required and what's available already on board. Ottawa's system is highly integrated, with the devices taking advantage of the existing touchscreen. They also use the existing connection to the cellular network to allow for updates every 4 hours, and don't have to wait for the garage at night. Older PRESTO devices in the GTA are more self-contained, and include their own touchscreen for the driver which connects to a secondary reader. If a driver interface is required to set the fares on streetcars, PRESTO's current supplier of equipment doesn't offer a direct replacement for this type of device, although they do have a unit for on-board ticket sales that could probably be adapted to fit the purpose. If a touchscreen driver interface is also required the TTC buses, the economies of scale make developing a more custom device possible, and switching them between the old streetcars and buses in the future is a possibility, though the new streetcars don't require a touchscreen. If it's determined that there doesn't need to be a driver interface, or one already exists that can be used, then the same reader that is used on the new Streetcars could also be used on the old ones.
The Generation 2 Ottawa presto readers are faster.
Compared to the Presto readers on GO network, the small Generation 2 readers are small pods on poles, so you can plaster an area with lots more readers, more cheaply. This compensates greatly.
Are you referring to the on-board transaction processor, or the Single Fare Transaction Processor which is used for the O-Train in Ottawa? If you mean the SFTP for the trains, I don't think it will be any easier to install than the ones currently used by GO, and probably wouldn't be the same one anyways as the Ottawa SFTPs aren't available with buttons for fare overrides.