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Mayor John Tory's Toronto

Last thing Toronto needs is a downtown focused hard left liberal conuncillor...

Will be the inverse of Rob Ford, who will just cause resentment in the suburbs.

Tory for his faults, balances both parts.
Of course Tory is better than Ford but he has not offered a balanced leadership. Take a look at the membership of his Executive Committee. He has shown a tendency to get set onto ideas that, after more thought, are foolish. The refusal to open the Armouries, the rebuild of the eastern Gardiner and, of course, the one-stop multi-billion dollar subway. As was shown when he was (briefly) the provincial Tory leader he makes poor judgement calls without thinking them through and even when evidence appears that shows these were poor choices he just doubles down.
 
Last thing Toronto needs is a downtown focused hard left liberal conuncillor...

Will be the inverse of Rob Ford, who will just cause resentment in the suburbs.

Tory for his faults, balances both parts.
So Toronto has to be run according to the best suburban planning principles of the nineteen fifties, in order to avoid the dread disease of suburban resentment? This just in - most of the suburban councillors elected by suburban voters already play the resentment card all the time. Check out the collected works of Mammo, Karygiannis, Fordbros, Holyday, Shiner, de Baermaeker, DMW and Pasternak for an introduction to the science of warping policy to reject evidence in order to pander to the hurt feelings of all those forgotten real folks in the boroughs. People living in the old City of Toronto have much to resent under this Mayor and Council. We pay far more than our share of the taxes in this city, we are under-represented on Council (which will only partially be fixed by redistricting), and our legitimate, data-supported transit needs are completely ignored in favour of ludicrously expensive infrastructure projects (SSE and Gardiner East) whose only justification is equity for folks in the suburbs. Why will we blow so much of our limited capital budget on two projects completely unsupported by facts or objective planning? Why does Tory refuse a value for money analysis of SSE? Because, to quote the suburban brain trust in charge of this clown car, “Downtown has enough subways.” Try telling that to transit riders in Liberty Village, anyone trying to get on a rush hour southbound train at Eglinton or south, or anyone changing lines at Yonge-Bloor in rush hour. The suburbs gave us Shiner’s revelatory assertion that he doesn’t incorporate facts or expert analysis in his decision making because a computer could do that. If anyone should be resentful in this city, it’s residents of the core.
 
So Toronto has to be run according to the best suburban planning principles of the nineteen fifties, in order to avoid the dread disease of suburban resentment? This just in - most of the suburban councillors elected by suburban voters already play the resentment card all the time. Check out the collected works of Mammo, Karygiannis, Fordbros, Holyday, Shiner, de Baermaeker, DMW and Pasternak for an introduction to the science of warping policy to reject evidence in order to pander to the hurt feelings of all those forgotten real folks in the boroughs. People living in the old City of Toronto have much to resent under this Mayor and Council. We pay far more than our share of the taxes in this city, we are under-represented on Council (which will only partially be fixed by redistricting), and our legitimate, data-supported transit needs are completely ignored in favour of ludicrously expensive infrastructure projects (SSE and Gardiner East) whose only justification is equity for folks in the suburbs. Why will we blow so much of our limited capital budget on two projects completely unsupported by facts or objective planning? Why does Tory refuse a value for money analysis of SSE? Because, to quote the suburban brain trust in charge of this clown car, “Downtown has enough subways.” Try telling that to transit riders in Liberty Village, anyone trying to get on a rush hour southbound train at Eglinton or south, or anyone changing lines at Yonge-Bloor in rush hour. The suburbs gave us Shiner’s revelatory assertion that he doesn’t incorporate facts or expert analysis in his decision making because a computer could do that. If anyone should be resentful in this city, it’s residents of the core.

Yes lets elect a hard left mayor that says f*** you all in the suburbs, thats really gonna help the city grow and prosper.

Really, you guys offer up people like Smitermen and Oliva Chow and complain that people like Ford and Tory get elected.

Reality is Tory is far better leader then many on the left at council and that is why he will the next election handily.

Until the left, puts up a credibile candiate that can govern a large and diverse city like Toronto, I dont see Tory going anywhere.
 
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Until the left, puts up a credibile candiate that can govern a large and diverse city like Toronto, I dont see Tory going anywhere.
I generally agree with you;

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In 2014 it was:

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Smitherman had/has a reputation as a bull(y) in a china shop and unfortunately Joe Pants was/is not well known (and is really not charismatic). In 2014 Olivia was a very poor campaigner - which was probably just as well as it allowed Tory to beat Ford; I doubt many of her voters were going to go to Doug.
 

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I am not saying a mayor should govern only for the city or the suburbs...

I know some dislike the current mega city but unless that is change, any effective mayor has to govern for the entire city.

If anyone on the left has a chance they need to get votes in the burbs like David Miller did...and what did Miller do? He pretty much did wonders for downtown, but the rest of the city? Poverty increased, murders increased and low development.

Tory has flaws but at least now I think the city sees more growth everywhere.
 
I am not saying a mayor should govern only for the city or the suburbs...

I know some dislike the current mega city but unless that is change, any effective mayor has to govern for the entire city.

If anyone on the left has a chance they need to get votes in the burbs like David Miller did...and what did Miller do? He pretty much did wonders for downtown, but the rest of the city? Poverty increased, murders increased and low development.

Tory has flaws but at least now I think the city sees more growth everywhere.
You honestly think poverty and the murder rate are municipal responsibilities? That our property tax-funded municipal government has sufficient revenue and policy tools to fix, lemme see, the criminal justice, welfare, immigration and income tax systems? Or for that matter that the clamshell can somehow dictate Canada’s monetary and fiscal policies? As for the typical suburban bullshit about Miller, it’s complete nonsense. Development did more than fine under his mayoralty, and thanks to him the City began its slow recovery from Lastman’s incompetent administration.
 
You honestly think poverty and the murder rate are municipal responsibilities? That our property tax-funded municipal government has sufficient revenue and policy tools to fix, lemme see, the criminal justice, welfare, immigration and income tax systems? Or for that matter that the clamshell can somehow dictate Canada’s monetary and fiscal policies? As for the typical suburban bullshit about Miller, it’s complete nonsense. Development did more than fine under his mayoralty, and thanks to him the City began its slow recovery from Lastman’s incompetent administration.


Miller was not a good mayor but his positives was development in the city.

But he ended up being the reason Ford came to power with being rather tone deaf around taxes and spending.
 
Wait, murders increased? Numbers, please. I don't believe.
I'm not sure if Murder is a Municipal indicator or federal.
According to Wiki (although Millers first year is missing), the rate did go down from 70's to 61.
It stayed below 60 the entire time Ford was in power.
The past 2 years, it has climbed above 60 again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto
 
The per capita numbers would show a decrease. In 1971, Toronto's population was 2,089,729. In 2011, it was 2,615,060. In 2016, it was 2,731,571.

Just divide the population by the number of murders to get the per capita rate.
 
But he ended up being the reason Ford came to power with being rather tone deaf around taxes and spending.

If one has to blame anyone but themselves for voting in a crack-addicted illiterate no-show with a proven lack of talent for governance who also turned out to be the joke of the universe, the problem is the one casting the vote. It's like someone blaming Obama for Trump getting elected, instead of what, Fox News. You'd think the personal responsibility bunch would consider deciding and then stuffing a ballot box a matter of utmost personal responsibility, no?

And PS - Miller is hard left the way alcohol-free beer belong to LCBO. Seriously, FWIW labelling anything as hard-whatever is usually straight giveaway for partisan BS.

AoD
 
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According to the Homicide Canada site, there were 61 murders in Toronto last year, not including the Sherman deaths. Those are likely homicide, but haven't been officially declared as such. In 2016, there were 73 homicides, including that fire that killed several people. On a per capita basis, that is quite low.
 
Miller was the best mayor the mega city of Toronto had full stop. He invested in the city and brought a massive development boom. The waterfront, to transit, to arts and culture. Did he make mistakes? Of course but he tried to do well by the entire city. The problem was that the suburban areas need massive community investment like transit, services, jobs, etc. Those cost money that the wealthy home owners in the suburbs refuse to pay for as they won’t use those services so why should they have to pay?

What elected Ford was the garbage strike. That was the straw that broke the camels back and likely why Miller did not run. Miller did not play the garbage issue right at all. While he got some concessions from the union, the strike in the middle of a hot summer was a stinking mess. Union leaders failed to work with the most friendly union mayor in decades. They got messed up by Ford for their greed.

Similarly for transit. Transit City was a plan to bring better and rapid transit to suburbs. However, focusing on Sheppard was a massive mistake. Finch should have been first and investment in Scarborough with an LRT network to replace LRT using Eglinton and McCowan corridor. Replacing RT with LRT on same bad routing didn’t help the debate. Especially when it requires 4 years of busses during construction. He had a chance to push for a proper network of subways, LRT and BRT or express buses. He went all in on LRT and it backfired.
 

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