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John Street Revitalization

That timeline doesn't include the countless revisions and deferrals that our city is so adept at.

The public realm is arguably as important as the buildings we design and build. It's how we interact with our city when outside. Our streets/sidewalks are as bare bones and depressing as they could possibly be with little thought was given to appearance. We can't keep going on as we are so how do we fix it?

Toronto Transportation Services maintains city streets and sidewalks but do they do the design as well? Every square inch of what they build is terrible so how does one enact change? Is there even acknowledgement that we're hopeless at this? We need a complete overhaul over how our public realm is designed, built, repaired, and maintained.

I don't expect the same quality throughout our city as the University of Toronto public realm overhaul but efforts to build a beautiful city won't get realized if we don't fix this. Un-doing 80 years (and counting) of ugliness will take a very long time but sense this isn't even on the radar of the City of Toronto.

Can we at least get the City to put sidewalks back to exactly how they found them when they dig them up? In other cities, they remove pavers, fix what needs fixing underneath, put the undamaged paver back in, and seal it up. This isn't rocket science.


 
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Toronto Transportation Services maintains city streets and sidewalks but do they do the design as well?

Sometimes. In general, routine road reconstruction (no BIA, no special streetscape project) will be designed in house.

Though, sometimes, this work is farmed out.

Work for BIAs is often subject to a Streetscape Masterplan, this is usually done by an outside firm hired by the BIA.

To some degree, ECS (Engineering and Construction Services) may alter or detail the design. (The Master Plan is not working drawings)

Economic Development also has staff which can assist BIAs typically with some projects.

Civic Improvements (dedicated streetscape projects outside of BIAs, are often led by the Urban Design unit of City Planning.

Other projects may vary, but most follow, roughly, one of the above processes.

Every square inch of what they build is terrible

This is absolutely, completely and totally untrue. There's some excellent work on streetscapes carried out by the City.

Totally fair to call out instances where they've got it wrong, or blah work inherited from a previous generation of staff or the one before that.........

But suggesting there is no good work done in the City is just wrong.

We need a complete overhaul over how our public realm is designed, built, repaired, and maintained.

There is lots of room for improvement, to be sure, but I think 'complete overhaul' neglects the well done projects.

I think it would be better to say, that staff and units that have good track records should see their responsibility and funding increased, and their design standards adopted while those who consistently under achieve should see theirs diminished and their leadership changed.

I don't expect the same quality throughout our city as the University of Toronto public realm overhaul but efforts to build a beautiful city won't get realized if we don't fix this.

The U of T has made a number of critical mistakes in their recent improvements, which I have thoroughly documented. Veneration here is also misplaced. They have the ambition, but on execution......there are issues.

Can we at least get the City to put sidewalks back to exactly how they found them when they dig them up? In other cities, they remove pavers, fix what needs fixing underneath, put the undamaged paver back in, and seal it up. This isn't rocket science.

This we should do; but we don't, in part, because City staff aren't usually the ones digging things up, its usually the utilities, and the City doesn't trust them to patch things properly, so requires a 'temporary' patch (asphalt); but then City crews/contractors may not get around to the permanent fix, sometimes for weeks, sometimes for months or longer.

The City is making some changes on this file. Whether they're the right ones, TBD.
 
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Sorry to bump this thread, but I was curious to see if there were any updates on this on the City's website and saw this as projected to start in Q4 2025, though I am not sure how accurate this is:
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Sorry to bump this thread, but I was curious to see if there were any updates on this on the City's website and saw this as projected to start in Q4 2025, though I am not sure how accurate this is:
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The dates on ToInView are 'hopes' rather than promises. This one dates from April so is not too old and is feasible but projects often get bumped for lots of reasons, another project needs to happen first, the $$ are not voted by Council etc etc. I suggest you email the engineer and ask him for an update and copy the Councillor (Mallik, I think)..
 
Sorry to bump this thread, but I was curious to see if there were any updates on this on the City's website and saw this as projected to start in Q4 2025, though I am not sure how accurate this is:
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The project page says this:

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I had a peek behind the curtain.........it currently shows as programmed 2026-2029. Suggesting one-two blocks at a time, once they get started.
 
The project page says this:

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I had a peek behind the curtain.........it currently shows as programmed 2026-2029. Suggesting one-two blocks at a time, once they get started.

Oh good, by the time they finish with the final block it would be time to start from the first one again!

AoD
 
Latest Update: See: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2024/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-251008.pdf Coming to Exec Comm next week.

 The BIA Fixed Finance - Toronto Entertainment District BIA Streetscape Improvement project at the John Street Cultural Corridor is a joint project between various City Divisions, including E&CS, Transportation Services, Toronto Water, PF&R and EDC. In 2012, the John Street Corridor Improvements EA Study was completed. The study objective is to transform the street into a cultural corridor by redesigning the streetscape between Front Street and Stephanie Street; creating a pedestrian friendly corridor from the AGO to the Waterfront. Delays attributed to design changes and coordination with other projects have pushed the project timeline resulting in the delay of spending any funding as of Period 9, 2024. Pending an agreement with Toronto Hydro, the project is expected to be tendered in Q4 2024 and construction to begin in Spring 2025. By the end of 2024, the projected actuals are estimated to be nil of $2.350 million budgeted.
 

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