gabe
Senior Member
BART is also similar to Washington DC subway system.
They didn't skip Calgary (very right hand column). They did skip other GTA cities. I agree with your assessment that the comparison was very incomplete, which is why I said this:
It particularaly annoys me that they skipped Vancouver.
Well, another way to compare is using the average fare paid per passenger regardless of mode, pass, zones, or distance travelled.
TTC had 500.2M riders in 2011, and total fare collected was 976.0M, for an average fare of $1.95 per rider.
Vancouver had 231.9M riders in 2011, and total fare collected was 433.3M, for an average fare of $1.87 per rider.
So in this case, TTC is still more expensive.
Most other cities? Like Brampton? Mississauga? Oshawa? Hamilton? Ottawa maybe? Kitchener? Guelph? St. Catharines? Any of those?In most other cities, a month pass is valid for 30 days from the day you first use the pass, a week pass is valid for 168 consecutive hours and a day pass for 24 consecutive hours.
I think he's talking about cities outside Ontario.Most other cities? Like Brampton? Mississauga? Oshawa? Hamilton? Ottawa maybe? Kitchener? Guelph? St. Catharines? Any of those?
Which might imply it isn't TTC that is the issue here. Especially given the other cities are all on Presto already, so it should be easy.I think he's talking about cities outside Ontario.
Based on municipal boundaries, Mississauga is much more populous than many of the cities listed (including Atlanta and Boston!). Mississauga should be included.
Well, another way to compare is using the average fare paid per passenger regardless of mode, pass, zones, or distance travelled.
TTC had 500.2M riders in 2011, and total fare collected was 976.0M, for an average fare of $1.95 per rider.
Vancouver had 231.9M riders in 2011, and total fare collected was 433.3M, for an average fare of $1.87 per rider.
So in this case, TTC is still more expensive.
No, but you can estimate based on typical usage. Ridership is always going to be an estimate ... though the accuracy will improve as they start getting more and more data from Presto.don't forget the day passes can bring in up to 6 passengers, a number you simply can't track.
Boston's system doesn't exactly stop at the city proper border does it?
They seem to have found ways to conveniently ignore many similar or more expensive systems.
What was their excuse for skipping Calgary, which has the same fares, and even higher ticket prices than Toronto? Or even Mississauga which is more expensive?
I have to think there's some serious bias here.
Thank you for clarifying. I based it on population within municipal boundaries, which yes, is silly, which I must admit. Of course the MBTA and the MARTA extend well out of their respective cities' boundaries. I meant to say that Mississauga's system is significantly underserved (in regards to its population) and with appropriate funding, MiWay would have the ridership levels of both the MBTA and the MARTA.Yeah, Johnny's comment was silly. Boston's system is the MBTA, or Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority. Its subways (three of them) serve not just Boston, but urban Cambridge, with two world-famous educational institutions, and several other inner ring muncipalities. It has the highest-ridership LRT (Green Line and Branches) in US (and second in North America, including Mexico, after Calgary). It has a larger commuter train network than GO Transit, with one line that exends into another state (Rhode Island). Its buses and ferries serve most of Eastern Mass.
Atlanta's system, is MARTA, the Metropolitan Atlanta Regional Transit Authority. MARTA has two subway lines and buses that extend throughout the city and two counties (Fulton and DeKalb).
Mississauga Transit is small beer in comparison to MBTA and even MARTA.
What next, compare San Francisco, because its city-county population is similar, to Mississauga? Ha! You will also notice that all cities listed operate a rail transit system as well as buses (Ottawa being the the odd man out, given how small its rail system is right now compared to the bus network.)
Good answer.The author explained below
■ In the 2011 comparison, much hay was made in the comments section over the cost of GTA suburban transit systems such as York VIVA vs the TTC. This post is about a big-city, rail-oriented, continent-wide transit comparison and no suburban bus systems were included, nor should they be. Suburban systems will often cost more than their peers in a large city due to issues of land use planning, density, car ownership, etc. They also tend to take their lead from their big-city cousins because they are subject to similar funding and expense parameters. And it is likely the suburban Toronto systems will eventually all be absorbed into a single GTA fare structure just as has happened dozens of other cities with regional transit authorities. So they are ignored here, disturbing as their high prices may be.