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Hamilton - Main St. E. redesign

Problem was never one-way streets, but a wide road with no parallel parking to calm traffic and provide a buffer between the traffic and the sidewalk.

Rue Ste-Catherine in Montreal is one-way.
I’m slowly coming to the same conclusion. Hamilton’s geography and density lends to one-way streets, and one can easily cherry pick those that work (most evidently those in Durand).

Of course, theory is different from practice. King and Main suffer with their designs. Though that is not only because they are one-ways. Like Barton, they are too narrow to have as many active traffic lanes as they do and also be lively urban streets. Diets are needed more than conversions in most cases.

I think this should be acknowledged more openly, because streets like Victoria and Wellington should probably always remain one-way, even if they get lane reductions. Their efficiency does indeed help keep some industrial traffic out of downtown.

Main is going to be interesting. I really hope it becomes pleasant enough for genuine foot traffic. How much is to be determined.
 
The City has no plans to convert Victoria or Wellington beyond what they have already done AFAIK.

Even here, Main is going to remain primarily an eastbound road. I think it's necessary in the lens that the LRT is basically going to delete most traffic capacity on King St - Main St needs to absorb some of that westbound traffic.
 
One-ways are fine in single lane applications, like herkimer and charlton. Once you get into multi-lane set ups the perceived safety and actual safety go down. I wouldn't even consider most 2 lane one-ways a viable solution. You are right however that the main thing isn't the one-way/two-way choice, but the general distribution of road space and priority to car lanes. The initial paint-only design proposal was abysmal for this, and in many areas actually made pedestrian safety worse, it was like WSP or the City lost the plot on why they were actually doing this. I hope the final design is greatly improved.
 
I’m slowly coming to the same conclusion. Hamilton’s geography and density lends to one-way streets, and one can easily cherry pick those that work (most evidently those in Durand).

Of course, theory is different from practice. King and Main suffer with their designs. Though that is not only because they are one-ways. Like Barton, they are too narrow to have as many active traffic lanes as they do and also be lively urban streets. Diets are needed more than conversions in most cases.

I think this should be acknowledged more openly, because streets like Victoria and Wellington should probably always remain one-way, even if they get lane reductions. Their efficiency does indeed help keep some industrial traffic out of downtown.

Main is going to be interesting. I really hope it becomes pleasant enough for genuine foot traffic. How much is to be determined.

There are many streets across the "upper" city that would have become one-ways too, if the original plan had extended that far. I find it funny that most of the complaints about the one-way system seem to come from "suburban" drivers -- they would not want that setup in their own areas, but also seem to oppose its removal and are very used to driving through the city relatively unimpeded.

Two-ways definitely won't lead to immediate benefits, and not everywhere -- it will take other urban improvements. But it's been almost 70 years since the one-way system was implemented, for an urban area with a different set of land uses and travel patterns. One-way streets have their applications, but context does matter, and overall for the network's needs the system is out of date. And I agree that once King loses lanes for LRT (and its construction) Main's gain of westbound flow will be important.

Barton is narrow and much needs to be done to make it a more "complete" street. I think Barton's decline had much do with loss of employment and employed people in the neighbourhoods nearby. Much of it is now one-lane each way between Victoria and Lottridge, and I can see its "diet" extended east and westward, but the planning issues are many and it will take decades for change.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when King is transformed by LRT, and whether the city will take the opportunity to do something smart along (and between) nearby parallel routes.
 
Problem was never one-way streets, but a wide road with no parallel parking to calm traffic and provide a buffer between the traffic and the sidewalk.

Rue Ste-Catherine in Montreal is one-way.

The Montreal example is very different though. No section of Main St., nor probably any other main street in Hamilton, compares.

There are definitely numerous reasons why Main near where I live isn't a good street -- it is 4-lanes wide, but there is parking on one side (which is signed for time-of-day, so not always used); it's in relatively decent condition compared to other roads, and nearly 500m between traffic lights despite the city installing one partway, because it is currently pedestrian-activated. I think the two-way conversion will help.
 
There are many streets across the "upper" city that would have become one-ways too, if the original plan had extended that far. I find it funny that most of the complaints about the one-way system seem to come from "suburban" drivers -- they would not want that setup in their own areas, but also seem to oppose its removal and are very used to driving through the city relatively unimpeded.

Two-ways definitely won't lead to immediate benefits, and not everywhere -- it will take other urban improvements. But it's been almost 70 years since the one-way system was implemented, for an urban area with a different set of land uses and travel patterns. One-way streets have their applications, but context does matter, and overall for the network's needs the system is out of date. And I agree that once King loses lanes for LRT (and its construction) Main's gain of westbound flow will be important.

Barton is narrow and much needs to be done to make it a more "complete" street. I think Barton's decline had much do with loss of employment and employed people in the neighbourhoods nearby. Much of it is now one-lane each way between Victoria and Lottridge, and I can see its "diet" extended east and westward, but the planning issues are many and it will take decades for change.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when King is transformed by LRT, and whether the city will take the opportunity to do something smart along (and between) nearby parallel routes.
Agreed on all points. I would also not attribute Barton's decline to its street design alone, far from it- though it certainly accelerated things. I do think streetscape improvements alone will help the street tie together the slow but steady regeneration of adjacent neighbourhoods better than it is already-- its somewhat suppressed right now. But I suppose you could say the same for many other streets.

I'm not so sure travel patterns have changed dramatically as much as certain segments have shrank (industrial workers, trucks) while others have grown. The fundamental patterns seem quite unlikely to budge; Hamilton's geography will always dictate (limit) its movements in ways that can't be avoided (as with any great city ;) ). People have, and probably always will, go over Burlington Heights or the Beach strip to cross the Lake in 1000 years, and travel will likely always need to be closely managed in the lower city. But I digress.

Insofar as what's coming, I will add that King and Main are true outliers in that they are, or at least should be, almost identical in terms of function to the old city streets of Toronto, or King street Waterloo, or what have you. However, pedestrians seem to actively avoid them by contrast- its on clear display with the Strava heatmap:

King-Main:
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Take your pick in Toronto here of Bloor, College, Dundas, Queen, King, etc:
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And King between Uptown 'Loo and Downtown Kitchener (since "we arent Toronto"):
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So, big and noticeable change is on the horizon I'd say. There are lots more inferences one could make from all this, but I will present without further thoughts for now.

The City has no plans to convert Victoria or Wellington beyond what they have already done AFAIK.

Even here, Main is going to remain primarily an eastbound road. I think it's necessary in the lens that the LRT is basically going to delete most traffic capacity on King St - Main St needs to absorb some of that westbound traffic.
Yes, they don't, and the rationale for Main is pretty straightforward. My point is simply that it is easy to lose sight of things and point at one-ways as the problem themselves, and so we should always be cautious of letting things go too far, as Hamilton tends to do- especially as the city inevitably and truly re-urbanizes again. Discourse can help establish that understanding; Vic/Wellington are merely a good example for showing their utility (if a bit too wide), imo.
 
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One-ways are fine in single lane applications, like herkimer and charlton. Once you get into multi-lane set ups the perceived safety and actual safety go down. I wouldn't even consider most 2 lane one-ways a viable solution. You are right however that the main thing isn't the one-way/two-way choice, but the general distribution of road space and priority to car lanes. The initial paint-only design proposal was abysmal for this, and in many areas actually made pedestrian safety worse, it was like WSP or the City lost the plot on why they were actually doing this. I hope the final design is greatly improved.
Is there any indication of a 'better' design for Main in the detailed design?

I think Hamilton would benefit immensely if its one ways were only 2-lane streets, LOL. In any case, I found Calgary and Montreal's one-ways not quite so bad. And European cities make do with what they can. But the dynamics in these cases are nothing like what Hamilton had/has achieved in sheer 'efficiency', at a much more striking detriment to anything not an automobile.

And I am going to be dramatic for a moment and say that Toronto should refer to Herkimer and Charlton for better prioritizing the streetcars. You can fit alot of things in a small right-of-way if you coordinate among them!
 
Is there any indication of a 'better' design for Main in the detailed design?
Won't know until we see it, but I am hopeful given that there's been such a gap from that initial concept. I know me and at least Chris here left a boat load of comments for them.
 
The City has no plans to convert Victoria or Wellington beyond what they have already done AFAIK.

Even here, Main is going to remain primarily an eastbound road. I think it's necessary in the lens that the LRT is basically going to delete most traffic capacity on King St - Main St needs to absorb some of that westbound traffic.
I actually think if anything Wellington and Victoria make more sense to be made two way. They are largely overbuilt in their current state and are terrible roads to boot. At the very least both should be made 3 lane at a maximum as the current lane count is way overkill for the amount of traffic these roads get and the immense cost and economic impacts the one-ways deal with.
Won't know until we see it, but I am hopeful given that there's been such a gap from that initial concept. I know me and at least Chris here left a boat load of comments for them.
I likely left at least 100 myself. I was speaking with someone I know who chatted with city staff about this project and apparently sometime very soon there will be a site page dedicated to each section similar to how it was done for Wilson.

It also appears that there may have been changes since the last public engagement. The Delta remains a mess most likely. But the city intends to allow Metrolinx to dictate what happens there (who are apparently buying up quietly even more property around the Delta).

There was a motion from councillors that went mostly unnoticed that asked for staff to build the "most equal configuration possible" after distaste toward the lopsided configuration, but it remains to be seen whether that was actually done.

As mentioned, I really hope a lot more was done than just paint, and I really, really hope they considered dead-ending some streets and continuous sidewalks. The city and province seem intent on enforcing "modern" road rules that require far larger turn around for garbage vehicles and fire trucks on dead end streets. Because having the second person direct the truck backward is apparently a skill that has been lost to time. That's why the LRT plan has those absolutely ridiculous turnarounds in the East end so it's unlikely we'll see Toronto-style, American-city-style, or European-style improvements. Think more Burlington or Oakville style improvements.
 
I actually think if anything Wellington and Victoria make more sense to be made two way. They are largely overbuilt in their current state and are terrible roads to boot. At the very least both should be made 3 lane at a maximum as the current lane count is way overkill for the amount of traffic these roads get and the immense cost and economic impacts the one-ways deal with.

I likely left at least 100 myself. I was speaking with someone I know who chatted with city staff about this project and apparently sometime very soon there will be a site page dedicated to each section similar to how it was done for Wilson.

It also appears that there may have been changes since the last public engagement. The Delta remains a mess most likely. But the city intends to allow Metrolinx to dictate what happens there (who are apparently buying up quietly even more property around the Delta).

There was a motion from councillors that went mostly unnoticed that asked for staff to build the "most equal configuration possible" after distaste toward the lopsided configuration, but it remains to be seen whether that was actually done.

As mentioned, I really hope a lot more was done than just paint, and I really, really hope they considered dead-ending some streets and continuous sidewalks. The city and province seem intent on enforcing "modern" road rules that require far larger turn around for garbage vehicles and fire trucks on dead end streets. Because having the second person direct the truck backward is apparently a skill that has been lost to time. That's why the LRT plan has those absolutely ridiculous turnarounds in the East end so it's unlikely we'll see Toronto-style, American-city-style, or European-style improvements. Think more Burlington or Oakville style improvements.
Victoria is pretty close to what's needed, IMO - especially at the bottom of the escarpment between King and the Claremont Access. But that's because the City has already cut a lane with the bike lane installation.

Wellington definitely could cut a lane or two though, especially north of Barton.
 

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