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GTHA Transit Fare Integration
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Undead
Senior Member
Technology? Isn't this a matter of funding?
afransen
Senior Member
I'm sure there is some Presto complexity that is being resolved. The government has already signaled intent to implement fare integration in the future, so I think the reason they haven't done it yet is in part technical.
allengeorge
Senior Member
Yes, absolutely. At least the reason I thumbed-up was because:
- It’s nice to see politicians (especially the Premier) making a photo-op around less exciting transit concerns like fare-integration.
- It’s nice that Doug Ford (and I am far from a fan) is doing that. I thought he’d only be focused on the infra side.
Islington Express Bus
Active Member
How the hell did we get to 2023 before this obvious policy was implemented? And how the hell was DOUG FORD the guy that eventually made it happen?
Didn't this very government kill the Wynne-era partial fare integration?
Didn't this very government kill the Wynne-era partial fare integration?
afransen
Senior Member
I think traffic had to get bad enough. I think the public consensus is now pretty solid that transit is needed, even if it is just for the plebs to use to get out of your way.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Article says it has been delayed until February 2024.
globalnews.ca
Toronto fare integration delayed by overambitious timelines | Globalnews.ca
The province had promised it would roll out full fare integration across the Greater Toronto Area by the end of 2023 but has been forced to extend the delivery to February 2024.
globalnews.ca
Allandale25
Senior Member
Article feedback.Article says it has been delayed until February 2024.
Toronto fare integration delayed by overambitious timelines | Globalnews.ca
The province had promised it would roll out full fare integration across the Greater Toronto Area by the end of 2023 but has been forced to extend the delivery to February 2024.
Northern Light
Superstar
As described above; it would be GO co-pay for TTC riders, no other change. If true, this is an incredibly easy change in the software for Presto.........
Coolibop
Active Member
Disappointing as someone who takes drt to ttc for 20 minutes (6km) and it charges me almost $13 return.
chrisw
Active Member
The Feb 2024 estimate was already provided in September (https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/pr...cle_f9f968a1-0144-5c3f-a13c-a7126fe9053c.html)
Now regarding this new article,
I think the $100 to $150 million cost estimate is key.
You can look at Jonathan English's report to the Toronto Region Board of Trade regarding Fare Integration. The date published was March 2023.
You can look at his plan, a zone based system that would unify fare systems across the region. The fare is flat if you ride two zones, Toronto would still have a single flat fare even though it's broken into two zones. Double fares for short cross-boundary trips would be eliminated. It doesn't matter what mode you take, Go Train, Go Bus or local transit.
Anyways, we have no idea what the province's plan regarding fare integration would look like, and we're still not fully clear regarding the scope. But, the TRBOT report does estimate the cost of this plan.
The Maximum first year cost is estimated at $154 million, and this doesn't take into account potentially large additional revenue from new riders, and efficiency gains from shifting riders off of crowded services and onto less crowded and (but currently more expensive) services.
Cost Breakdown of the Estimated Maximum Cost:
$34M - REDUCTION OF FARES ON SHORT CROSS-BOUNDARYTRIPS BETWEEN TTC AND 905 MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS
$45M - FREE TRANSFER BETWEEN GO TRANSIT AND TTC
$75M - REDUCTION IN GO TRANSIT FARES
ESTIMATED MAXIMUM FIRST-YEAR COST - $154M
This number is awfully similar to the internal estimate, suggesting that the provinces plan may have a similar scope. And it should be noted that the Fare Integration between TTC and GO is only estimated to cost a maximum of $45M.
Now regarding this new article,
I think the $100 to $150 million cost estimate is key.
You can look at Jonathan English's report to the Toronto Region Board of Trade regarding Fare Integration. The date published was March 2023.
You can look at his plan, a zone based system that would unify fare systems across the region. The fare is flat if you ride two zones, Toronto would still have a single flat fare even though it's broken into two zones. Double fares for short cross-boundary trips would be eliminated. It doesn't matter what mode you take, Go Train, Go Bus or local transit.
Anyways, we have no idea what the province's plan regarding fare integration would look like, and we're still not fully clear regarding the scope. But, the TRBOT report does estimate the cost of this plan.
The Maximum first year cost is estimated at $154 million, and this doesn't take into account potentially large additional revenue from new riders, and efficiency gains from shifting riders off of crowded services and onto less crowded and (but currently more expensive) services.
Cost Breakdown of the Estimated Maximum Cost:
$34M - REDUCTION OF FARES ON SHORT CROSS-BOUNDARYTRIPS BETWEEN TTC AND 905 MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS
$45M - FREE TRANSFER BETWEEN GO TRANSIT AND TTC
$75M - REDUCTION IN GO TRANSIT FARES
ESTIMATED MAXIMUM FIRST-YEAR COST - $154M
This number is awfully similar to the internal estimate, suggesting that the provinces plan may have a similar scope. And it should be noted that the Fare Integration between TTC and GO is only estimated to cost a maximum of $45M.
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JasonParis
Moderator
This is still the best plan I've ever seen.
Allandale25
Senior Member